My dogs are both only half potty trained. I don't know what it is that I am doing wrong, but I have a bell at the back door that both dogs have learned to ring when they want out, and they will do this half the time, and the other half they just go in the den! We even have a room off of the laundry room, (where they sleep and stay when we are gone) with paper down for them to use if they are up for the night or if it's raining, but for some reason, they use the paper sometimes, but they still go in the den as well.

We don't spank them but we do lower our voices and point to it and say, "NO!" and immediately take them outside. They always get a treat as soon as they come back in, if they use the potty. What could be holding them back from only using the potty outside?
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My dogs are both only half potty trained. I don't know what it is that I am doing wrong, but ... come back in, if they use the potty. What could be holding them back from only using the potty outside?

i would start over house training from scratch, as if they were completely unhousebroken. don't give them the opportunity to go in the house. every accident they have indoors will put their house training back. either tether them to you with leashes or crate them when you can't supervise them. since there are two of them, you might want to crate one and tether the other, rotating them frequently.

it's important that you go out with them. when they relieve themselves outside, do a silly happy dance and tell them what amazingly, wonderfully, good dogs they are. really, you can't over do the praise enough.
take them out fairly frequently after naps and meals, and every couple of hours otherwise. they're both old enough to hold it overnight, but make sure they don't have free-range of the house overnight until they are 100% housebroken. crate them or have them sleep in the closed bedroom with you.
also, if you don't have them on a feeding schedule, i'd suggest doing so. regular input means regular output, which will help with house training.

shelly
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it's important that you go out with them. when they relieve themselves outside, do a silly happy dance and tell them what amazingly, wonderfully, good dogs they are. really, you can't over do the praise enough.
Also, make sure you are doing the praise and treat routine outside as soon as they do their business outside. When you give the dogs a treat when they come inside, they may not know that they are being treated for going potty outside. The last thing they did before you gave them a treat was to come inside. You want to be absolutely sure that they associate the act of pottying outside with the treats and praise and have no doubt at all that going potty outside makes you very happy with them.

As it is, it sounds like there might be enough time between the pottying and the treating that the lesson you are trying to teach is lost or weakened. Their response is also weakened, since sometimes they ring to go outside and other times they don't bother.
Also, putting papers in the area where they eat and sleep is not a good idea. They will be more likely to choose a spot away from eating and sleeping spots to potty as dogs don't like to soil their dens. If you want to set up an indoor potty spot, put it somewhere else or put the food somewhere else.
Clean the den well with enzymatic cleaners like Nature's Miracle and block it off by shutting the door or putting up another barrier like a baby gate so that habit cannot be reinforced any more than it already has been.

Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay
Also, make sure you are doing the praise and treat routine outside as soon as they do their business outside. When you give the dogs a treat when they come inside, they may not know that they are being treated for going potty outside.

yes! i didn't make that clear, but immediate praise/treat is what's called for.
another thing that occurred to me is that it would be a good idea to have both dogs checked by their vet for UTIs. it's unlikely that they both developed UTIs simultaneously, but if one dog has an infection and is peeing in the house, the other dog might follow suit.

shelly
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Also, make sure you are doing the praise and treat ... know that they are being treated for going potty outside.

yes! i didn't make that clear, but immediate praise/treat is what's called for. another thing that occurred to me is ... simultaneously, but if one dog has an infection and is peeing in the house, the other dog might follow suit.

Kind of like if you have a foster dog in the house with a marking issue and suddenly perfectly housetrained dogs start peeing in the house in the same rooms the other dog did? Not that I would know anything about that kind of thing. At least not recently, thank goodness!

Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay
Kind of like if you have a foster dog in the house with a marking issue and suddenly perfectly housetrained ... other dog did? Not that I would know anything about that kind of thing. At least not recently, thank goodness!

yikes! yes, exactly like that. talk about frustrating.

shelly
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette>> http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com

You must have chaos in your heart to give birth to a dancing star. Friedrich Nietzsche
Kind of like if you have a foster dog in ... that kind of thing. At least not recently, thank goodness!

yikes! yes, exactly like that. talk about frustrating.

Dog fostering is just a scam set up by the Nature's Miracle people to sell their product by the gallon.

Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay
Your dog *** in your HOWESES on accHOWENT of
YOU ABUSE THEM.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
Dog fostering is just a scam set up by the Nature's Miracle people to sell their product by the gallon.

they are also behind the kitty UTI conspiracy. bastards!

shelly
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