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Where on earth do you get the idea that Alex had an 8 or 12 hour working day?

I've cut out the nonsense. If you were to read the thread from its beginning
and its associated links, not just jump in at will, on bout of emotion, you would have read that Dr.Pepperberg herself states Alex had 8-12 hour working days (his entire life). No one here is so misguided to even suspect these could be marathon 8-12 hour sessions, of course they were batches, and multiple bursts of shorter intervals of mental exercise.
Now as you still have 20 years or so to go before Mbeki reaches Alex's age perhaps you can do us all a favor and repost in 20 years to let us know that he is still alive.

Perhaps you should do us all a favour and re-think your participation in this thread. You're contribution seems shallow (example: irrelevancy of Mbeki's age as an argument), and frankly you are neither entertaining nor educational, nor posing any relevant questions.
(Of course I hope he is)

Of course, that's why the confirmation.
M.J.
It would be safe to say that no pet parrot had a better life than Alex including yours.

You just assume that mental effort is as easy and
natural to a parrots brain as it is to a human brain.

8-12 hours a day of hard mental exercise for an average human could be associated with taking an extremely heavy course load at a most demanding university. I am certain the graduate researchers, students, who were training ALEX, at Brandeis Univ., were themselves on much much less demanding academic schedules.
Well, for a parrot's brain who knows what 8-12 hours of mental work is equivalent to.
I wish they do some advanced studies on Alexes
brain cells, they just may show extreme premature
aging.
M.J.
It would be safe to say that no pet parrot had a better life than Alex including yours.

You just assume that mental effort is as easy and natural to a parrots brain as it is to a human brain.

And yet that assumption is far less onerous and prsumptive then the one to which you keep asserting: that complex thinking was a terminal condition to a parrot.

Dave
www.davebbq.com
Of course the hypothesis that he was mentally worked to ... many other things learned to count to six, or seven.

I'll repeat once more! Is this what you did to the poor creature, Ms Irene Pepperberg? Have him worked to ... avian intelligence exist! No wonder Alex died so young. Both you and Brandeis University should be ashamed of yourselves! M.J.

M.J. : Did you observe how long the bird was worked with and personally see him pushed hard for 6 to 8 hours a day or are you just some AR nut with an ax to grind..It seems to me that you come off like some Rabid PETA nut, and you appear to be more of a bird brain than ALEX ever was. Perhaps you should take note that the group you are posting to is rec.equestrian.. this should tell you that it is a horsemans' newsgroup, and for the most part birds are inconsequential here as far as most conversations go..It seems to me you need a hobby outside of your AR ranting..perhaps knitting, or crocheting would take care of some of your angst..The bird is dead..yada yada yada...get a life hey!
Can a parrot be overworked? If birds don't like what is happening they just don't cooperate.
We try to teach them to talk, and they just sit there ignoring us. Then they suddenly say something we haven't even tried to teach them, but which they have heard. They also put words together and make a sensible phrase out of them.
And a mistreated parrot will bite!
Perhaps you should take note that the group you are posting to is rec.equestrian.. this should tell you that it is a horsemans' newsgroup, and for the most part birds are inconsequential here as far as most conversations go

The reason I have included rec.equestrian was because of Barbarro, another animal death that attracted much public attention.
The bird is dead..yada yada yada...get a life hey!

Personally, I hope Brandeis Univ. preserves Alexes DNA to have him cloned one day.
M.J.
Alex, and Dr.Pepperberg's research has shown a lot, there is ... another 10 or 20 years, he might have progressed farther.

Perhaps he could have retired and moved Florida where he could have learned to play shuffleboard. What SHOULD an old ... Alex lived as long or longer than most of his wild relatives in Africa. I don't feel sorry for Alex.

I do, because he died prematurely, and because he did not leave any offspring.
M.J.
Personally, I hope Brandeis Univ. preserves Alexes DNA to have him cloned one day. M.J.

I don't think there was anything extraordinary about Alex. He wasn't the "star student" from among a group trained to find the smartest. He was the original and sole bird used in Dr. Pepperberg's work. Likely, any CAG would have achieved the same level as Alex using her methods. Other birds were introduced to the lab later.

Sincerely,
Joanne
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I'll repeat once more! Is this what you did to ... of avian intelligence exist! No wonder Alex died so young.

What you are describing is a death due to prolonged mental stress. fine. Typically, when an animal, human or otherwise, ... stress-related pathology, mental or physical, in the bird. So what is your secret evidence? Grueling mental exercise, my aunt fannie.

Let's not forget that Alex was a plucker!!
Itself this doesn't prove much but it points to him being potentially very stressed. Reasons for plucking are not well understood, some attribute this behaviour to stress, sexual frustration, others to skin problems, etc.
M.J.
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