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There are humans that die young too from things that ... is involved in a cover up to hide the truth.

The data likely don't exist but I'd like to know the mortality rate of 31 yo AG parrots. I think it's safe to assume it is non-zero and not just because of Alex.

In the wild or in captivity? In the wild it would be much higher, I would presume.
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(snip) The data likely don't exist but I'd like to ... to assume it is non-zero and not justbecause of Alex.

In the wild or in captivity? In the wild it would be much higher, I would presume.

Yes certainly but I bet it's non-zero even in captivity and even among well-kept birds.
Horses who are well-kept die at relatively young ages also. I am suggesting that the idea of this bird dying at 31 is not unheard of nor jaw-dropping per se. Unusual,yes. Sinister? No way.
sharon
Perhaps he could have retired and moved Florida where he ... wild relatives in Africa. I don't feel sorry for Alex.

I do, because he died prematurely,

In your opinion.
and because he did
not leave any offspring.

You are just jealous because you couldn't have one of his babies.
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Not 100 times a day.

Every action is an exercise in problem solving. Finding food, even if it is handed to you in a dish is an exercise in problem solving.

Alex could have sat in front of a bowl and solved problems of this type i.e. whether to pick a nut or a cracker all day long and it would have had no impact on him as this type of problem solving has nothing to do with is complex abstract thinking.

The type of exercises he was given in the lab were taxing his brain like no other parrots' in the wild. Can't you realize that simple fact? Do you have some mental disability that prevents you from differentiating such basics?
M.J.
The information is readily available for anyone that isn't to lazy to look for it.
"lazy to too no you don't"? Please speak English.

Now how about addressing your claim that one needs to be experienced to know that the eye color changes as an AG ages.

What's he got to do with anything?

You might call it that.
What I know is that you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I think these birds are being worked to death...
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PyAfHggV1s&NR=1 sharon "Lights will guide you home And ignite your bones And I will try to fix you" C. Martin

The birds are all more talented than my husband trying to sing "The Twelve Days of Christmas"!
Can I just ask a question here? How unheard of ... on what I know of the history. Jaws didn't drop.

And a bunch of top national avian specialists could not identify the of the death? I don't think so! Alex's death is troubling, in a sense that no cause of death has been identified, therefore all the speculation.

You haven't been speculating. You have been extremely certain in an area where no one really knows a damn thing. That his early death might have been due to an overly ambitious and stressful training schedule is not impossible. That this should be looked into is a very good suggestion. That you know exactly what happened, which is what you seemed to be saying in earlier posts, is not true.

Our very young Eddisson doesn't seem to want to learn anything except to cuddle with humans and to quarrel with our equally young Severe Macaw. Does that mean he will live to be seventy?
Will in New Haven
If Alex didn't like the life he had he had the option of just sinking his beak into Irene P.'s hand and refusing to play her games.

He bonded to Dr.Pepperberg, he loved her, and propably could not hurt her even if he wanted to. She no doubt loved him too but he was also a reaserch subject to her.

This film illustrates what I am talking about. Poor little plucker Alex tells her six times that he's got enough but she persists at him, forcing him, even with body contact, as she nears a big tray towards his leg in order to elicit a response from him.
No wonder he died pre-maturely.
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