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"hot" words like "choking", "slamming", etc get used. I've read ... than hysterical? I think the emotion is essentially the same.

Well, I've certainly seen him use the equivalent language, if that's the determining factor for "bashing"

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"Bribe with food" "beg" are the same kind of loaded words, and he's comfortable using those.

How could anyone compare the use of words like bribe or beg with what are essentially LIES, "choking" and "slamming"???
He doesn't choke dogs, and he doesn't slam them.
And he uses food himself!
He just commented on the use of food as a bribe, rather than as a reward.
Doesn't anyone who bashes him actually watch his show???

Handsome Jack Morrison
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I am suspicious of people that have to talk negatively about other people to make themselves look good.

It's not at all clear to me that anybody who criticizes Cesar does it "to make themselves look good." It absolutely wasn't clear that that was the case in Jean Donaldson's article. Critiquing a very popular dog trainer and his methods seems entirely in-bounds, to me, and I have absolutely no idea why you think it's not.

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Critiquing a very popular dog trainer and his methods seems entirely in-bounds, to me

Critiquing a trainer is one thing. It comes with the territory, especially when he's successful.
Lying about him is something else.
Using inflammatory hyperbole is extremely unprofessional, not to mention ugly and mean-spirited.
It actually seems like pettiness and mean-spiritedness (and an inherent need to demean other trainers) has become a character trait of PPers everywhere.
I've yet to come across one who wasn't petty and mean-spirited, and who, instead of talking about her own methods, didn't spend most of her time taking cheap shots at everyone who hadn't yet "seen the light."

Handsome Jack Morrison
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I don't think she should have even mentioned his training ... not; she should have stuck to her own training methods.

Luckily for us, the rest of the world doesn't think like you. In order to improve methods, most professional trainers ... method, or simply a critique of the person, and then try to improve their techniques. Marcel Beaudoin and Moogli==

I wonder if you would feel the same if Cesar bad mouthed Pat Miller on his web site and put a line through her name. What is it to her anyway how he trains people. She should mind her own business.
And, I have to disagree with you again, because I don't think trainers do take criticism very well. Do you think you could criticize Pat Miller and she would accept your critique of her teaching methods- probably not. I think they all have very big egos, Cesar included.
I wonder if you would feel the same if Cesar bad mouthed Pat Miller on his web site and put a line through her name.

Ah - okay. This is about feeling. "Facts are stupid things" (R. Reagan).

Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - (Email Removed)

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Luckily for us, the rest of the world doesn't think ... of the person, and then try to improve their techniques.

I wonder if you would feel the same if Cesar bad mouthed Pat Miller on his web site and put a line through her name.

I have already said that the image was rather childish.
What is it to her anyway how he trains people. She should mind her own business.

You put yourself into the public eye, you have to accept criticism and critiques of your work, whether it is positive or whether it is negative.
And, I have to disagree with you again, because I don't think trainers do take criticism very well. Do you ... would accept your critique of her teaching methods- probably not. I think they all have very big egos, Cesar included.

If I was taking a class from Pat Miller (or any other trainer for that matter) they had better damned well accept my criticism of things that they did (or did not do) that I did (or did not) like. They don't have to agree with what I thought, but they have to accept it. Again, it is part of putting yourself in the public eye.

Marcel Beaudoin and Moogli
"Facts are stupid things" (R. Reagan).

It was a simple misstatement!
"Reagan was quoting John Adams' well-known quotation, facts are stubborn things. He certainly knew the correct words it was a simple misstatement but it makes a funny quote in its own right.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/279.html
Do you really think that Reagan thought facts were stupid things?

Freakin' ***.

Handsome Jack Morrison
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On 30 May 2007 17:54:52 GMT, Marcel Beaudoin
If I was taking a class from Pat Miller (or any other trainer for that matter) they had better damned well accept my criticism of things that they did (or did not do) that I did (or did not) like.

Why, pray tell, would I (i.e., as "any other trainer") have to accept your criticism???
I may have to put up with it (it is, after all a free country, and we have that First Amendment thingie dingie), but I don't have to accept it. And especially not quietly!
ac┬Ěcept
1. to take or receive (something offered); receive with approval orfavor: to accept a present; to accept a proposal.
That is, I don't have to accept (with approval) your criticism if I think it's bunkum, ill-informed, etc.
I'm free to reject it.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Prouder than ever to not be a member of the "reality-based community"!

And another one bites the dust! Australian scientist changes his mind about "global warming": http://mises.org/story/2571
Yo! Melinda Shore! Read this article! She's talking about *you.* http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=510
Dream on!
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