Was intrigued by someone's suggestion that personalities are influenced by relationships in newborn (and, perhaps, even in utero) litters. Offers some explanation of odd differences. My Mac was such a 'discrete' sleeper, preferring to jump up to say 'good morning' and 'good night' only. He would consent to sleep alongside so long as you didn't crowd him.
My New Year's flu has returned in force. Woke several times during the night, convinced I was dying, sweating and suffocating. It was Gala, draped across in positions contrived to save those dying from hypothermia. Changed beds. Woke, convinced I was dying .. And so it went.
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personalities are influenced by relationships in newborn (and, perhaps, even in utero) litters. Offers some explanation of odd differences.

In utero, hormones: a female embryo developing between two males in a uterus horn will be larger and perhaps more assertive.
And in bird dogs, there is a notion that the mom should be exposed to birds during some critical period of embryo development so that the pups absorb the surge of hormones and they are born more birdy.
As to sleeping, Steve and I were commenting on differences just this morning. I am an owl, allergic to mornings. So is SheBop. She and I lounge around in the bed, wallow and cuddle and hit the snoozealarm a dozen times, and must have coffee to even contemplate opening our eyes. (Well, I do; SheBop just makes sure I drink it by attempting to slurp if I leave it unguarded and go back to sleep.)
Shammie and Steve pop up wide awake and are out the door before I can say 'boo' (or more likely 'shut the %*$&* up and get the &*^# out!') After a while, they tip toe back in, deposit the coffee and are gone again.

If they really want to get our goat, they come back in with GrisGris the tasmanian devil, always ready to spin and bounce and create a holy ruckus, no matter what time of day or night it might be. (Catching her asleep is like trying to catch the refrigerator light going out.)

But ironically, SheBop (like Justice used to be) does not like to sleep on the bed unless she has a whole side to herself. If my foot so much as touches her, she's gone.
Shammie on the other paw, is relentless. I wake up in the fetal position with Shammie curled up where my feet should be; I tell her to get down; she does; and then I swear she waits to hear even breathing and jumps right back up, curls up again and goes to sleep. Repeat every hour or so all night long.
And so it went.

Yup.
Susan Fraser, owned and trained by
BeBop a Lu SheBop SH, Shamma Lamma Ding Dong MH,
Semper Choo Choo Ch'Boogie, and Gris Gris Gumbo Ya Ya http://mypeoplepc.com/members/chinchuba/goldensinthenews /
The way people handle these differences:
I am an owl, allergic to mornings. So is SheBop. .. Shammie and Steve pop up wide awake and are out the door before I can say 'boo' (or more likely 'shut the %*$&* up and get the &*[/nq]^# out!') After a while,
they tip toe back in, deposit the coffee and are gone again.is really interesting. Saw the Owl and Lark on ... extreme than you and Steve. They credit it with keeping their relationship fresh because they don't suffer too much 'togetherness'.

Are you and Steve merry?
The way people handle these differences:

I am an owl, allergic to mornings. So is SheBop. ... more likely 'shut the %*$&* up and get the &*[/nq]^# out!') After a while,
they tip toe back in, deposit the coffee and are gone again.

is really interesting. Saw the Owl and Lark on a "Do Not Marry These People" list. A merry couple I ... They credit it with keeping their relationship fresh because they don't suffer too much 'togetherness'. Are you and Steve merry?[/nq]Throwing my two cents in: my husband and I have been very happily married for 11 1/2 years, and are expecting our first child in October. Saskia (the Dane pup) and I go to bed at about 11 or 11:30 and get up at about 9 (the cat starts bugging us at about 7, but has learned that extreme persistence means she gets pushed off the bed, while quieter efforts get her ears rubbed until I fall asleep again). I can function just fine getting up quite a bit earlier, but am seriously trying to catch up on my sleep right now, what with the baby coming and all.

My husband goes to bed between 3:30 and 6 a.m. and gets up between 12 and 2 in the afternoon, and does NOT function well getting up early. We have a great marriage and DO have plenty of togetherness, given that he works from home and I was already pregnant when the citizenship papers went through and I was legally permitted to work here, and so do not currently work.
Katrina
Was intrigued by someone's suggestion that personalities are influenced by relationships in newborn (and, perhaps, even in utero) litters. Offers ... positions contrived to save those dying from hypothermia. Changed beds. Woke, convinced I was dying .. And so it went.

She's needy for contact because the poor girl has been deprived. And because she isn't half chow.
Kavik used to be like Mac - not a snuggler. Since we got Toklat who isn't very snuggly but who spends alot of time playing silly games with me on the bed and who likes hugs, Kavik's jealousy has gotten the best of him. He now loves to lie on the bed, on your stomach for hours. He sleeps on the bed frequently, usually with his head on his dad's back.

I hope you feel better. I suspect stress has made you immuno-insufficient.
Are you and Steve merry?

Half of us are almost all of the time, and both of us are about half the time ;-)
Susan Fraser, owned and trained by
BeBop a Lu SheBop SH, Shamma Lamma Ding Dong MH,
Semper Choo Choo Ch'Boogie, and Gris Gris Gumbo Ya Ya http://mypeoplepc.com/members/chinchuba/goldensinthenews /
SNIP> Throwing my two cents in: my husband and I have been very happily married for 11 1/2 years, and are expecting our first child in October.

Congratulations! :-P
Saskia (the Dane pup) and I go to bed at about 11 or 11:30 and get up at about 9 ... extreme persistence means she gets pushed off the bed, while quieter efforts get her earsrubbed until I fall asleep again).

My first cat, Maggie, was my "Alarm clock of last resort." When she decided it was time for me to get up (AKA time to feed her), nothing* would deter her. She would begin by rubbing and purring, move on to licking the tip of my nose (*once* she tried nipping the tip of my nose, but decided she didn't like imitating a football going for the long pass), to jumping onto the top of my headboard and divebombing onto my pillow (which, at 20#, created *quite* a bounce), to dumping things from the headboard onto my head after being beaned by a brass lamp a couple of times, I decided it was best to get up *before she got to this final stage.
I can function just fine getting up quite a bit earlier, but am seriously trying to catch up on my sleep right now, what with the baby coming and all.

The GREATEST myth of motherhood: that you can stockpile sleep now for use later. Better to spend your nights reading 'cause you won't get another chance for a lo-o-o-o-ng time (unless it's Dr.Suess.) ;-P
My husband goes to bed between 3:30 and 6 a.m.

Wonderful: he gets night duty! ;-P
Marie (awake with restless baby at 2am)
Throwing my two cents in: my husband and I have been very happilymarried for 11 1/2 years, and are expecting our first child in October.

Congratulations! :-P

Thank you!

Oh, she tries most of this, but gives up if I'm grimly persistent enough.
I can function just fine getting up quite a bit ... sleep right now, what with the baby coming and all.

The GREATEST myth of motherhood: that you can stockpile sleep now foruse later.
No, no I know better than that. But I recovered from a long-term chronic injury situation with the help of a new physiotherapist just about a year ago, then suffered inexplicable insomnia for weeks and weeks and weeks, then the back and hip started acting up again (not like BEFORE, though) which got me out of bed after about four hours because of the pain of trying to stay there, then we had to move (to a really nice place, but the move was quick and exhausting), and then we got the new puppy, and once my husband IS fully asleep he does not wake up easily or well so I had the 5 and 7 a.m.

potty trips until she started sleeping all night. Also the past 11 years have been a hard grind from desperately poor illegal aliens all the way to full Dutch citizens (and ONLY Dutch citizens; nyah, nyah Mr. Bush and your draft proposals and rigged elections) and clear sailing, and it's been hard and the last few years really took it out of us.
I'm just trying to build myself back up so I don't go through the late stages of pregnancy (as I've heard, the getting kicked in teh bladder all night stages) and the birth and subsequent weeks already suffering from chronic fatigue. And I'm just about there the mental fog is gone and I can walk at a normal pace again and don't just long to go back to sleep all day and my ffet don't feel like they're cased in lead! Huzzah! I'm even getting stuff done again!
My husband goes to bed between 3:30 and 6 a.m.

Wonderful: he gets night duty! ;-P

You bet! The only thing he can't do himself, he'll just wake me up for, prop me on some pillows, attach the baby, and go get me a cup of tea. Lovely.
Marie (awake with restless baby at 2am)

Hang in there! I was 12 and 15 when my brother and sister were born... guess who does all that in such a situation. So I know what I'm getting into and what you're going through.. I repeat, hang in there!

Katrina
Changed beds. Woke, convinced I was dying .. And so it went.

i'm sorry you're sick again. i've had the flu a couple of times this year and it was all kinds of NO FUN.
Gala sounds like a real sweetheart.
and, this might help!:
http://snipurl.com/7dkr

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
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