I'm having problems with my Milksnakes and my big fat corn.

I use an UTH and an overhead light to establish a photoperiod as I have a relatively dark house and no 'lighter room' to move the snakes (or myself) to. I use a 60 degree blue Appleherp Daylight over my 36'sand40 longs, and a 40 W over my 20 long. This is making thetemperature way too high, into the 90's, so of course I turn it off, photoperiod of no more than a few hours as I don't want to roast my snakes. I've been told not to use the light, then I've been told that no photoperiod will hurt them, then I've been told to go to a lower wattage (which does not exist). I know the Milksnakes come from a different climate so of couse they get uncomfortable faster.

Took my Rosie five weeks to shed, and of course she didn't eat all that time. Finally shed and ate one hopper, reluctantly. She's a four year old, previously bred, Nelson Milk. My Honduran milk male adut is shedding more often and his appetite is diminished as well. Neither snake appears to be losing weight.
My big fat corn male Sunny sheds between each meal, although the heat doesn't seem to be the issue there, but I don't know. No mites.

This is a question about how to manage the photoperiods, how long do they need to be, without inventing a bulb of lower wattage or buying another house.
Any advice, information or help would be welcomed.
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Barbara (Email Removed) typed this:
This is a question about how to manage the photoperiods, how longdo they need to be, without inventing a bulb of lower wattage orbuying another house.

How about putting a floor lamp on a timer, so it just illuminates the entire room for a 12 hour photoperiod?
I guess I take the North-facing windows on my herp room for granted... I don't use lights on any of my snake cages except Bones, the Okeetee in the closet. Emotion: smile
Sorry to hear you still have some reluctant eaters. Emotion: sad The only bad eater I'm dealing with is that gopher, who I really am coming to believe is a Pacific Gopher. I've gotten approval to release him in the Okanagon National Forest... just need time to make the 5 hour drive over there. Emotion: stick out tongue
fr0glet
Good idea, Fr0glet. Thing is, my '03's in the Boaphile sweater drawers in my dark vampire bathroom with no illumination worth discussing all eat regularly and like pigs, and don't shed excessively. Hungry all the time and several are getting too big for the drawers, although by the 'technical measurement' of an adequate sized enclosure, these still qualify.
My damned female amel Gopher, and my male Applegate gopher, '03's also, regrettably try to eat ME. It's not a SFE either, they hate me and everyone else and it's blind luck I have my fingers. They're strictly rubber glove jobs.
I'd like to let them loose..in my freezer.
But won't.
Good for you that you got the clearance. Long drive for a tight schedule.
Barbara (Email Removed) typed this:
Good idea, Fr0glet. Thing is, my '03's in the Boaphile sweater drawers in my dark vampire bathroom with no illumination worth discussing all eat regularly and like pigs, and don't shed excessively.

Cave dwellers!! Vampire snakes!! Emotion: smile
My damned female amel Gopher, and my male Applegate gopher, '03's also, regrettably try to eat ME. It's not a SFE either, they hate me and everyone else and it's blind luck I have my fingers. They're strictly rubber glove jobs.

Heh. The gopher in my care isn't bitey at all, just nutso. Emotion: smile
Good for you that you got the clearance. Long drive for a tight schedule.

Well they just called me back again today... perhaps they don't want me to release it over there. Waiting for more calls. They got REALLY excited when I told them I'm getting people bringing in Western Pond turtles right and left up here... I think I may have F&G on my doorstep soon. Emotion: stick out tongue
fr0glet
Well they just called me back again today... perhaps they don't want me to release it over there. Waiting for ... Western Pond turtles right and left up here... I think I may have F&G on my doorstep soon. Emotion: stick out tongue fr0glet

It's a cool snake, why don't you keep it? There's always more room.. HEHEHE
Cindy
Cindy (Email Removed) typed this:
Well they just called me back again today... perhaps they ... I may have F&G on my doorstep soon. Emotion: stick out tongue fr0glet

It's a cool snake, why don't you keep it? There's always more room.. HEHEHE

I seem to hear EVIL LAUGHTER COMING FROM THE SOUTHEAST?!??

One, I don't want it... I'm not into the wild caught thing.

Two, it's an indigenous species... and thereby protected against wild collection in Washington state.
Three, so far it's been totally uninterested in thawed mice. Granted, I've only offered him thawed NAKED mice... maybe he's shy.

Four, the guys at www.dfw.wa.gov have been really helpful... they're coming to pick him up, take him to Olympia, study him, and determine if they'd rather he go into the wild or back into PNHS care. Emotion: smile

I have ENOUGH snakes, thankyouverymuch... Emotion: stick out tongue
fr0glet
I have ENOUGH snakes, thankyouverymuch... Emotion: stick out tongue fr0glet

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Okay, okay already...
Cindy
Perhaps I'm being old-fashioned here but how about using the venerable flourescent tube Vita-Lite that comes in many sizes and fits most aquarium hoods?
It's still available and in fact at Home Depot you can purchase a few "sun lites" (I'm forgetting the brand name here but you can't miss them, they are flourescent tubes that come in a bright orange cardboard wrapper with yellow writing). These come in all sizes and will fit aquarium hoods. These carry the same uv ratings as Vita-Lites. They are also somewhat less expensive. I use two four-footers in the overhead shoplite in my boa room.
It's been my experience that the newer (by "new" I mean within the last 15 years or so) incandescent bulbs always emit too much radiant heat. Of course, with these flourescent lights you would need a corresponding amount of
aquarium hoods.
Oh, and the photoperiod should resemble what the animals would be receiving in the wild, depending on the species and it's proclivity for basking. Say 8-12 hours and don't forget the hidebox.

Kurt Schatzl
http://www.neherp.com
bumper sticker, Honda Accord, Huntington Ave, Boston, MA: "Horn broken, Watch for Finger"
Sorry to hear you still have some reluctant eaters. Emotion: sad The only bad eater I'm dealing with is that gopher, ... to release him in the Okanagon National Forest... just need time to make the 5 hour drive over there. Emotion: stick out tongue

I'm glad they gave you approval to release him! Should be an interesting experience.
Take lots of photos.
-cat
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