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Nope. Not gonna happen. The city is making an application ... that these dogs have been involved in something like this.

By the way, while the headlines say these dogs are pit bulls, if you read the story, you'll see that they're actually BULL MASTIFFS.

Tracy, nowhere in the posting:
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or in the article:
http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=7e8e9d66-83c7-43bd-bb4a-83be9f63f733

... does it mention bull mastiffs.
What are you referring to?

+ TomH + antonomasia-at-canada-dot-com
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

Also: http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey chr0.htm
Show Greyhound people say plenty of derogatory things about racing GHs, too. I personally think that a lot of AKC GHs look like a cross between a giraffe and an angelfish, and I've seen plenty of them with very little muscle.

I'd never thought about that. To me, Greyhounds are Greyhounds are Greyhounds. Please feel free to give me a slap, though I plead mitigating circumstances - the only Greys I see in real life are ex-racers.
Can you point me to pictures which show the difference?

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
I don't get it. Is it speed or endurance that Alaskans have that Siberians don't?

Speed, really. Alaskans typically have some speedy hound blood in them. Blake Freking, who won the Beargrease last year with ... Siberians come back into style and more and more people are breeding for performance, we'll see faster and faster dogs.

People seem to forget that Siberians have been bred for this work for generations. I heard about some people breeding Sibes to Greyhounds, if you can believe it. The resulting dogs didn't have enough coat, and I'm betting they didn't have much endurance, either. Probably had to feed them huge quantities of food every 4 hours.
Where's Wolf? He should be happy. All paws here, Siberian and otherwise, crossed for Karen.

He's been hanging out on the message boards at Cabela's Iditarod site, where he's still getting his facts wrong (the ... an information service it was when he said that he fed his working dogs Pedigree that he totally lost me.

Yeah, that kind of destroys one's credibility. So does advocating breeding dogs to wolves, IMO.
Mustang Sally
When we first got Tasha and took her places, naturally everybody who saw her had an opinion about her breed. Someone thought she was an Elkhound mix, but I don't think she looks at all like an Elkhound.

Where can I see pictures of Tasha?

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
When we first got Tasha and took her places, naturally ... I don't think she looks at all like an Elkhound.

she doesn't look at all like an Elkhound to me. i can't see anything in her that looks unSibelike.

She doesn't really bear any resemblance to any other breed. She doesn't really look like your average show Sibe, either. But when our
3 are out in the yard, nobody asks what breed that female is oranything like that.
But even if the outside of her doesn't look 100% ... different type), the inside of her is definitely all Sibe.

for me, that's what counts the most. yeah, i'm a sucker for certain physical traits, but in the end it's temperament and personality that win out.

I've never done clicker training, and Tasha is the only dog that makes me regret that. She wanted pizza crusts tonight, and was throwing behaviors at DH to get some. She's amazing. The first time we knew she was exceptionally intelligent was when she had a rawhide and wanted a drink, but another dog was standing there waiting for her to put her rawhide down. She dropped it into the water bowl, drank, picked the rawhide back up, and went on her merry way. Tonight she took a piece of crust, took a bite and put her foot on the rest while she chewed.
Well, until she escaped from the kennel and got my deaf cat.

i expect that would put a pall over things.

Yeah. All 3 (at the time) fosters got into the house at the same time, and none were cat friendly. And so ended Taylor.

Mustang Sally
Show Greyhound people say plenty of derogatory things about racing ... and I've seen plenty of them with very little muscle.

I'd never thought about that. To me, Greyhounds are Greyhounds are Greyhounds. Please feel free to give me a slap, though I plead mitigating circumstances - the only Greys I see in real life are ex-racers.

No reason at all to give you a slap; most non-Greyhound people don't know that there are AKC dogs and NGA dogs, and never the twain shall mix.
Can you point me to pictures which show the difference?

That's a tough one, but I will work on it. Without pictures, I can tell you that AKC dogs are generally taller, have deeper chests (and a greater propensity to develop bloat) and less muscle. There's not much difference in coat color or pattern, though some colors or patterns may be more popular in the breed ring at any given time and therefore more prevalent. There can be tremendous variety in the looks of racing dogs; I have a 26" almost stocky red fawn male with a lovely face, and a 30", deep-chested red brindle that people think is AKC. And a 28" blue male that a friend who shows in breed says would have done well but he's too well-muscled for AKC, IME.

Mustang Sally
When we first got Tasha and took her places, naturally ... I don't think she looks at all like an Elkhound.

Where can I see pictures of Tasha?

Melinda posted the link to her photo album, where she put Tasha's picture some time ago. I confess to being very photo-challenged when it comes to computers; I've let DH do all necessary photo editing and have no idea how to do it. I should post pictures of Boomer, Mukluk and Tasha, just to show how different-looking they are.

Mustang Sally
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Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
No reason at all to give you a slap; most non-Greyhound people don't know that there are AKC dogs and NGA dogs, and never the twain shall mix.
I recall reading an article online about AKC vs. NGA dogs. It was by an AKC breeder and she was arguing that the NGA dogs shouldn't be considered greyhounds since they weren't being bred for what the original greyhounds had been bred for. But, AKC greyhounds somehow are real greyhounds since they are bred in the image of the original greyhounds, even though most AKC greyhound breeders apparently don't do anything remotely related to racing, coursing, hunting, or whatever with their dogs. I recall being somewhat confused and maybe even a little bit flabbergasted.

I've seen a similar argument about working Border Collies, which are supposedly bred exclusively as "trials dogs" never mind that this (a) isn't true by a long shot and (b) trials were instrumental in shaping the breed in the first place. The argument went on that Barbie Collies are closer to the original dogs since they are supposedly bred to look just like Old Hemp. Man, I wish I'd saved that email.

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