Do you or anyone you know own a pit bull? Help fight Breed Specific Legislation while having fun at the Volunteer State Bulldogger Association show and pull. Our upcoming show is Saturday, 2007 in Milton, Tennessee!! We will have all the fun classes as well as all regular conformation classes. For directions or more information check out our website at www.vsbulldoggerassoc.com Also add us at www.myspace.com/vsba Help spread the word, please forward and cross post.
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On 26 Feb 2007 11:08:11 -0800, "hehasmyheart57"
Do you or anyone you know own a pit bull? Help fight Breed Specific Legislation while having fun at the ... check out our website at www.vsbulldoggerassoc.com Also add us at www.myspace.com/vsba Help spread the word, please forward and cross post.

There are about 52 Saturdays in 2007. Did you have a particular Saturday in mind? If you really want "to spread word," provide the information, rather than make people go search for it.
I visited your web site and liked it a lot. I found the show dates; the two I checked fall on a Saturday: 3-3-07 and 4-14-07.

The composition by Marty Cross ends with this line "It is our job to make sure that the American Pit bull Terrier does not continue to become a VICTIM OF SOCIETY." The more time I spend around PBT, the more I admire them, and the more I agree with Cross. To that end, it is vital to put your best foot forward, always, for the sake of the breed.

I see that there are "hang time" competitions at your shows. To me, that seems diametrically opposed to your apparent stand against dog fighting. After all, isn't hang time training a technique for fighters?

Best wishes with the upcoming show: Saturday, March 03, 2007.

If you don't have a dream,
how are you going to have a dream come true?
- Oscar Hammerstein II
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a WORKING breed. To many people put these dogs on chains and they never get the chance to be socialized or to work as desired. Hang time competitions do not condone dog fighting. They are a safe, fun, and legal sport these dogs can compete in instead of being left on their chain un-socialized. Your bring up the point that hang time is used by dog fighters, collars and leashes are used by dog fighter as well should we not use these.

A lot of people who attend our shows including myself use these conditioning tools such as treadmills, and spring poles (hang time) to get our dogs in the best of shape to compete in the show ring, weight pull, tug-of- war, hang time, and treadmills races. These dogs are also widely used in hog hunting, another legal outlet for these dogs. I hope this helps you understand, and hopefully you will get the chance to witness these dogs work in these competitions, It truly is amazing.

David
Do you or anyone you know own a pit bull? ... atwww.myspace.com/vsba Help spread the word, please forward and cross post.

There are about 52 Saturdays in 2007. Did you have a particular Saturday in mind? If you really want "to ... If you don't have a dream, how are you going to have a dream come true? - Oscar Hammerstein II

My understanding of hang time competitions is that they are a sport based on the spring pole. Something many bullies love to do. I don't see why supporting a sport which many of the breed enjoy on their own is an issue, even if the same game is used by dog fighters for conditioning.
Nick
On 27 Feb 2007 04:14:58 -0800, "hehasmyheart57"
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a WORKING breed. To many people put these dogs on chains and they never ... and hopefully you will get the chance to witness these dogs work in these competitions, It truly is amazing. David

As a volunteer, I see plenty of PBT at the animal shelter; they are the cream of the crop. The remainder is never seen by the public most of them have lived their short life at the end of a chain, and have received close to zero care. We both know how that goes.

I bought the "Off the Chain" DVD, which opened my eyes even more.

My response was only suggesting that you put more punch in your marketing of this very important concept: "PBT are a good breed come see for yourself!," and to express my opinion that you really need to explain these hang-time events, so that you are not misunderstood.

(Some) collars and leashes are accepted by the public because they have a basic understanding of what a collar and leash is for. It is different for hang-time training. Most people have no idea of what that's about. Other people see it as training for evil. A few PBT devotees see it only as training for fun competition. That is the purpose people, especially new comers, should take with them. Anything less defeats your goals. Correct?
Believe it or not, some folks believe it is dangerous to play tug o'war with powerful dogs. It trains them to not let go, or some such nonsense.

Who sets the rules and sees that thing don't get out of hand, etc.? VSBA?

Whatever it takes.
On 27 Feb 2007 07:09:26 -0800,
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I see that there are "hang time" competitions at your ... After all, isn't hang time training a technique for fighters?...

My understanding of hang time competitions is that they are a sport based on the spring pole. Something many bullies ... breed enjoy on their own is an issue, even if the same game is used by dog fighters for conditioning.

This sort of competition is new to me, and I'm certain much of the public is equally unfamiliar with it. However, a few people have seen and/or heard about the dark side of hang-time training. Many of those people don't realize that PBT actually enjoy it (and I believe other dogs enjoy it, too.)
A person once said, "You have to avoid, not only evil, but also the appearance of evil. These competitors need to make certain that new comers realize that the hang-time games are totally unrelated to the training methods used by fighters, even though they appear to be the same thing.

"Some people learn something new
every day, others just get 24 hours older."
I see that there are "hang time" competitions at your shows. To me, that seems diametrically opposed to your apparent stand against dog fighting. After all, isn't hang time training a technique for fighters?

Any activity that conditions and strengthens a dog is a "technique for fighters." For example, canine treadmills. They obviously are useful outside the dog fighting world, but they are identified with "dog fighting" and have even been banned in some jurisdictions.

Shelly
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A person once said, "You have to avoid, not only evil, but also the appearance of evil.

I think you mean "Some translations of the Bible say..."

Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
I see that there are "hang time" competitions at your ... After all, isn't hang time training a technique for fighters?

Any activity that conditions and strengthens a dog is a "technique for fighters." For example, canine treadmills. They obviously are ... they are identified with "dog fighting" and have even been banned in some jurisdictions. Shellyhttp://mysmelly.com#error Mother Ship)http://mysmelly.com#error to Esther)

I can't own either a canine treadmill or a breaking stick for my bully mix, I don't believe they are outright banned, but if A.C. ever comes a knocking they consider them as sufficient evidence of dog fighting. We do have a big dog fighting problem in my county though, not my specific area, but since Animal Control is operated by the county, the same rules apply.
Nick
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