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in thread Shelly (Email Removed) whittled the following words:
Possibly, but his chest, head, jaw set and body build made me think Pit.

Okay, but that's still not an RR! Also, I've seen Labs that had all the above. They build 'em stocky 'round here, to the point that I've seen a couple of chocolates that looked more like Chessies than labs.

whatever.
Didn't look like any front or rear end assembly of any lab I've ever seen
whatever.

No ***.
Didn't look like any front or rear end assembly of any lab I've ever seen

Did it look like an RR? My only point was that I didn't see anything RRish in the photo shown. You described him as a Ridgeback mix, not a Pit Bull mix, but then you went on to describe all the ways he resembles a Pit Bull. Whatever, indeed.

Shelly
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in thread Shelly (Email Removed) whittled the following words:

I never saw any RR in him, but he's not my dog, and the rescue where Buzzsaw got him described him to Buzzsaw as RR/Lab. I'm not going to dispute the owner, or perhaps someone who was told on surrender exactly what it was. I felt he was a pitbull/lab cross, as did Claire, my friend, that I asked for a consult on Max. Regardless of what I felt, the owner believes he has a RR/Lab for whatever reason. I respect that.

I respect Buzzsaw as a person enough that no matter what my gut instinct is, if he says he has a RR/Lab, then that's what he has! Unless he has a DNA identification, I don't think anyone knows for sure. He sure is a gorgeous dog, and a handful. I think he needs miles and miles of fast trail work, but where Buzzsaw lives.. there just isn't that option.

And I don't think miles and miles of trail work would fix the over the top prey drive, but it sure would relax that tightly coiled spring.
I don't know what breed/mix Max is, but he's not a greyhound. The OP apparently thought that greyhounds' prey drive is trained out of them when they retire, which is why I was commenting on it. I will say, though that the track atmosphere - - eight dogs competing and a regimented routine that is the same before every race, so that the dogs know they're going to be racing hours in advance - - can heighten a greyhound's prey drive. Which is why backyard behavior can be a lot different when there are three or more greyhounds as opposed to one or two.
Mustang Sally
Max is a very high drive pitbull/mastiff type dog. gorgeous mahogany Brindle.

I'm confused. Why are there hints that Max is a rescue GH?

I don't think there were. Buzzsaw commented on prey drives in retired greyhounds because he's seen some walking very calmly and apparently thought the prey drive was somehow extinguished after they retired.

Diddy, no one's jumping all over Buzzsaw (except maybe for the car window thing). We haven't met him, don't know all the details of Max's temperament and Buzzsaw's management. Buzzsaw posting asking for suggestions, so that's what he's getting. Suggestions. No one said he was a lousy owner.
Mustang Sally
I respect Buzzsaw as a person enough that no matter what my gut instinct is, if he says he has a RR/Lab, then that's what he has!

M'kaythen!
And I don't think miles and miles of trail work would fix the over the top prey drive, but it sure would relax that tightly coiled spring.

I never found that exercise had any impact on prey drive, whatsoever.

Shelly
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I don't think there were. Buzzsaw commented on prey drives in retired greyhounds because he's seen some walking very calmly and apparently thought the prey drive was somehow extinguished after they

Yeah - I'm finally up to speed on the details! Just a little confused!

Janet Boss
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in thread sighthounds & siberians (Email Removed) whittled the following words:
I'm confused. Why are there hints that Max is a rescue GH?

I don't think there were. Buzzsaw commented on prey drives in retired greyhounds because he's seen some walking very calmly ... posting asking for suggestions, so that's what he's getting. Suggestions. No one said he was a lousy owner. Mustang Sally

I didn't think anyone was saying he was a lousy owner. I'm just verifying for clarification, that Buzzsaw DOES have a real problem, that he's not overstating. He is using his local resources to the maximum. It isn't enough.
I checked with other experienced dog locals who would know what the local resources were, and asked for a consult, and they agree with me. Max does not have the resources available that Max requires. Because Max is dog aggressive, it rules out the standardly available outlets. Because he can't be allowed off leash, this increases his limitations further.

We both agreed that Buzzsaw has handled Max to the best of his ability and to the best of what resources are available in the area to a dog aggressive, extremely high prey dog.
Buzzsaw has a problem. I don't have an answer. I did much research in his area, and never found a solution. I'm just trying to let you know what he's done, whats available, to clarify, in case you think up something not thought of before.
If Max were my dog.. I'd invest in a dog-a-jogger to help uncoil that high tension spring. I don't like the idea of forced hard surface jogging, and those things are rediculously priced. But if I were going to keep that dog.. He'd be treadmilling every morning and night. Or I'd drug him to oblivion. (Neither of which are solutions that I like.. which is why I haven't suggested them)
I wouldn't live with that. I admire Buzzsaw's commitment. As far as placing the dog in a more appropriate environment, I think that's a pipedream. Buzzsaw is Max's most likely only hope.
Buzzsaw gives this dog as decent a life as this dog could expect. I don't think Buzzsaw can do more. I admit that I can be wrong. I think Max is a very lucky dog. He's just a Hot Fuel Car, trying to run on a go-cart track. The likelyhood of someone else taking this dog and doing better? Slim/None

Buzzsaw says he's guilty, because he cannot offer this dog what he needs. He has no need to be guilty. He canNOT offer this dog what he needs. But I don't think he has anything he should feel guilty about.
Well, if you exhaust them they are a lot easier to catch when they do chase a rabbit.
Nick
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