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But yes, RR's "may".

Geez.
Another misuse. Yes, may.
Time to lock myself away in a library somewhere.
Hopefully The Shelly won't be there.

Handsome Jack Morrison
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But a patch this large would raise my eyebrows.

You bet! Rudy's poor breeding resulted in some white toes and a small amount of white on his chest. Totally not acceptable, but he's cute anyway ;-D
But yes, RR's "may". Me neither

The eyes are very RR.

Yes. And his standing shots, especially one where he is mostly faced away, show his body type is as well.

Janet Boss
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Geez. Another misuse. Yes, may. Time to lock myself away in a library somewhere.

I wasn't being picky about grammar. I mostly put that in quotes because it is acceptable in RRs. Differentiating from the fact that either a Lab or RR CAN have a white spot, and for which breed it is an acceptable trait.

Janet Boss
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Geez. Another misuse. Yes, may. Time to lock myself away in a library somewhere.

I wasn't being picky about grammar.

Yes, you were. And rightly so.
I mostly put that in quotes because it is acceptable in RRs.

Yep.
Differentiating from the fact that either a Lab or RR CAN have a white spot,

Technically, both can. And both may.
With Labs, it's "permissible."
But that's splitting hairs. White ones, in fact.
Okay.
I'm done here.
My eyes are bleeding.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Scientists threatened with death for 'climate denial'! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml The Great Global Warming Swindle - the video:
Why so much medical research is rot:
http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story id=8733754
The eyes are very RR.

Yes. And his standing shots, especially one where he is mostly faced away, show his body type is as well.

That ol' ZZ Top song, "(S)he's got legs!" comes to mind.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Scientists threatened with death for 'climate denial'! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml The Great Global Warming Swindle - the video:
Why so much medical research is rot:
http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story id=8733754
That ol' ZZ Top song, "(S)he's got legs!" comes to mind.

Heh. I have a weird story about that song, but that's for another time..

Janet Boss
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And no way on earth would I ride in a car with an unsecured dog or have the back windows open while there's a dog in the car.

I did it once. Well, Duke was secured in the car, but I'd just gotten this handy-dandy bells'n whistles fancy-shmancy car with the power windows, see? And I hadn't applied the "child lock" because, hey, I have no children.

Duke slapped his big paw on the window toggle and got the sucker completely down before I even realized what was going on. This does NOT happen with wind-up windows! Very glad to have installed and used the trailer ties.

As for the subject of "attention", and dogs that don't or won't refocus on their handler because they're busy shooting laser death-ray eyebeams at something furred or feathered - if the dog doesn't voluntarily look away, INTERRUPT the behavior already. Step between the dog and its focus. Gently grasp both sides of the dog's face and redirect it to your face. Praise. Repeat as needed.
Yeah, it's not a practical suggestion when the dog is crittering inside the house (although moving the animal to a room that doesn't have a tempting view might help - that's what I do with Duke when he goes ballistic over the Schwann's truck). Nor is it practical if the dog is off-leash. And it can be a little tricky with dogs (like ACDs) who may, in frustration, grip or bite the nearest object, usually the handler.
That ol' ZZ Top song, "(S)he's got legs!" comes to mind.

Heh. I have a weird story about that song, but that's for another time..

That is so not fair!

Handsome Jack Morrison
Scientists threatened with death for 'climate denial'! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml The Great Global Warming Swindle - the video:
Why so much medical research is rot:
http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story id=8733754
Duke slapped his big paw on the window toggle and got the sucker completely down before I even realized what was going on. This does NOT happen with wind-up windows! Very glad to have installed and used the trailer ties.

Yikes! That has not happened to me, but I'll double check the window settings.
As for the subject of "attention", and dogs that don't or won't refocus on their handler because they're busy shooting ... its focus. Gently grasp both sides of the dog's face and redirect it to your face. Praise. Repeat as needed.

Absolutely and for sure! Assuming the OP is close enough to the dog to do so, that is. Which is where management comes in. I've goofed up a few times, but I was pretty careful to make sure that when Elliott was outdoors, I was nearby so that I could get physical control of him if need be.
Also, gently grab the dog's face? HAW! But anyway...
Yeah, it's not a practical suggestion when the dog is crittering inside the house (although moving the animal to a room that doesn't have a tempting view might help - that's what I do with Duke when he goes ballistic over the Schwann's truck).

Good point. Because of management, I was in a position to physically control Elliott. There's nothing quite like dragging a 60lb ball of screaming, writhing dog across the back yard because he is incapable of regaining his senses and isn't going to regain them, because there's a frigging rabbit/coyote/possum/cat/dog on the other side of the fence who will not go away.
The only thing that might be worse is dragging a 60lb ball of screaming, writhing dog and* a 50lb ball of writing dog across the yard. In my jammies. Barefoot. It wasn't too bad until I got to the front door and realized I didn't have a free hand to open it with. Boy was *that ever exciting. I finally hauled Elliott up on his hind legs and opened the door while still holding onto his collar with my thumb. My thumb has never been the same since.
Nor is it practical if the dog is off-leash.

Which is not okay with this sort of dog. I never let Elliott off-leash off my property, even when he was at the point where I could generally call him off critters. It's just not worth the risk.
And it can be a little tricky with dogs (like ACDs) who may, in frustration, grip or bite the nearest object, usually the handler.

I was very lucky there. Elliott never, even in the throes of crittering, ever considered putting teeth on me. I know it can happen, though.

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