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However, after having a dog aggressive dog I've decide to risk the early socialization vs the parvo/distemper risk.

In almost 14 years of running puppy classes, I have had ONE problem with a puppy. I'm talking about ~1500 puppies or so. That one puppy broke with parvo AFTER a PK course ended (when I had a set # of weeks). She was the OLDEST puppy in the class - 6 months old when it started. Fully vaccinated ***-a-poo from a PA PM. All of the other puppies in the class were fine. She broke with parvo with the trauma of surgery while being spayed, and died.

Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
The question I have is this.. She is completely oblivious to everything.. Calling her name, whistles etc..

Whatever she's engaged in is more interesting to her than the noises you're making. You can change that.

I've personally had good luck using some of the one-on-one time to repeat a pup's name in Super Happy Happy Dog Voice and tell the pup she/he is a complete supergenius if she/he gets as excited as I do. Super Happy Happy Dog Voice doesn't always come naturally to people (especially guys, it seems), so you might need to tinker a bit with the octaves Emotion: smile
And on the other subject in here - the puppy obedience classes/socialization issue - I didn't see mentioned anywhere about puppy playgroups. In my area several doggy daycare and other facilities run age-specific playgroups, with checks on vaccines and vet information, where puppies that are all at the same vaccination level can run around with each other in a new environment with both new people and new dogs in as safe an environment as I could personally imagine that involves all of those variables. Combining this with a home early-education headstart seems to help lots of pups and their familys get an easier start on life.
regards,
katie
Katie Lukas
K8K9 Dog Training
http://www.katiek9.com
IMHO, lack of puppy socialization is MUCH more deadly than Parvo or anything else puppies could come in contact with during the 'window of opportunity' of 7-16 weeks. To each his/her own, but when my puppy got her first shot we were off to Petsmart's Yappy Hour, sitting outside the grocery store, walking the neighborhood & being petted by kids, etc. Yes, I would have been sad had she contracted Parvo or another disease & died. But I would be MORE sad if, at 1-2 years old, she was dog-aggressive or not comfortable with people/kids/situations to the point where I had to work with her on her 'issues' 24/7 so she could be a companion to me.
deb c.
That's just it Suja, I have a cootie fetish from my mom who sterilized everything and thought we as infants would catch anything and everything if she didn't constantly sterilize.

LOL! I'm the exact opposite. Back when I was a kid, mom and dad used to buy me dolls to play with. They'd find me later, having handed the dolls off to the neighbor's kids, quite happily making mud pies. I certainly believe that kids need to get down and dirty. So do pups, but I'm a lot more cautious about the germies because I don't know nearly enough about doggie medical stuff as I do about human stuff. In general, I am pretty paranoid with the dogs, but not nearly as bad with kids.
And BTW, Blade is much better, but he does revert back from time to time.

Cool! It appears to be two steps forward and at least one step back half the time. As long as there is forward progress in the long run.
My best bet though is a method LynnK has referred to. I am nearly 99.9% certain it will work. Unfortunately ... take on this. I need to talk with one or the other trainer to see when we can get together.

Khan can be unpredictable with some male dogs when he's on leash, and I just don't think that the method would work with him. He is certainly bonded enough to me, but he is just very independent in general, and if there are dogs around, often doesn't notice humans.

Suja
I took Kira almost everywhere we went. Agility trials, class, club practices. When traveling, I'd stop at rest areas, but carefully avoid the 'dog' area. I was less worried about parvo than I was about screwing up her socialization.
Debbie
Khan can be unpredictable with some male dogs when he's on leash, and I just don't think that the method ... me, but he is just very independent in general, and if there are dogs around, often doesn't notice humans. Suja

Suja this will take perfect timing on our part when we go about this. Once Blade is too much in drive mode, in high concentration of the other dog it may be too late. But if we do it the instant the ears are up and the body language signal occurs I am nearly certain it will work. His reaction to me ever exiting is pretty darned dramatic. You would think he was dying to hear him.

Gwen
I took Kira almost everywhere we went. Agility trials, class, club practices. When traveling, I'd stop at rest areas, but carefully avoid the 'dog' area. I was less worried about parvo than I was about screwing up her socialization. Debbie

Debbie I wish someone would have lectured me about this heavily. I did however take him to all kinds of places with different people and kids. Thus he loves humans. So it isn't all bad. I did most of it right. I just didn't do the doggie socialization right. I waited until 16 weeks old.
Gwen
Debbie I wish someone would have lectured me about this heavily. I did however take him to all kinds of ... I did most of it right. I just didn't do the doggie socialization right. I waited until 16 weeks old.

What is worse is when you buy a 6 months old pup and find out that she's been places such as the schutzhund training field, etc. but not been allowed to play with other dogs. Or "why from here on out I'll only buy pups before the age of
12 weeks."

Beth
Debbie I wish someone would have lectured me about this ... the doggie socialization right. I waited until 16 weeks old.

What is worse is when you buy a 6 months old pup and find out that she's been places such as the schutzhund training field, etc. but not been allowed to play with other dogs.

Oh shudder. I know what you mean. That is not what occurred with Blade since I did enroll him in obedience as well as puppy agility at 4.5 months old.
Or "why from here on out I'll only buy pups before the age of 12 weeks." Beth

Indeed and it is exactly the way I feel. And little Reznor is developing into a perfect dog. Other than his desire to bark at the cats on occassion.
Gwen
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