I have a friend whose trainer is teaching her to lure her dog into position. I swear her trainer is in the "LEAH school of training". But this trainer is in missouri, not in Orlando..
I have problems with this. I thought that was what the target was for (target training).
Therefore the dog gets their click, and the treat is a surprise, because then they don't know what they are working for. I thought the whole purpose of training to target was to REPLACE the treat luring, and giving the dog a target to steer them, and concentrate on the job without food distractions. Then the food becomes the reward.
Am I the only person who has a problem with food luring?
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Am I the only person who has a problem with food luring?

I'm not sure I understand what you've written. But, it's fairly common to use food to lure a dog into position, at least for standard pet dog training stuff. That's how I've trained Khan to do the routine stuff, Sit, Down, Stand, etc. We didn't use the clicker as the reward marker, but I think that's the only difference between what you've described and what I've done. I've done target training for position with heeling exercises, but have also seen/done luring for it instead.
Suja
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Am I the only person who has a problem with food luring?

I'm not sure I understand what you've written. But, it's fairly common to use food to lure a dog into ... I've done. I've done target training for position with heeling exercises, but have also seen/done luring for it instead. Suja

You responded appropriately to my comment, so I'm assuming you understood me correctly. I'm sorry for being unclear. Thanks for your reply
I've done target training for position with heeling exercises, but have also seen/done luring for it instead.

I've done both, as well as shaping. For me, shaping has produced the best long-term results, although G-d knows that for trained racing sleddogs it can be a huge, huge, huge challenge to find opportunities to start with.

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Am I the only person who has a problem with food luring?

Until you can somehow explain this comment (following), IMO anyway, the above is the least of your problems.
By calling him, when he found something else more gratifying, was in essence punishing him for coming.EEEKKKSS.. No wonder I was eroding his recall!

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I've done both, as well as shaping.

My attempts to shape Khan failed miserably. I'm sure I was doing something wrong, but thinking is not his strong suit, and he basically defaults to behaviors he knows already instead of progressing. Luring works wonderfully and quickly; less thinking involved for him, and he gets very clear communication on the end result I am looking for.
For me, shaping has produced the best long-term results, although G-d knows that for trained racing sleddogs it can be a huge, huge, huge challenge to find opportunities to start with.

What sort of behaviors have you shaped?
Suja
What sort of behaviors have you shaped?

??? Tons of 'em, some of them useful and some of them incredibly stupid (a few weeks ago to demonstrate clicker training to my mother, I trained Emmett to put his nose on the kitchen garbage can and keep it there). I've shaped a heel and it produced much more reliable results than luring or targeting, but getting that initial few back-offs to reward took a huge amount of patience. The dog also has to absolutely understand the clicker before giving it a try, since otherwise they're very narrowly focused on getting down the road. I've got a breed that likes puzzles and loves to think, so it's generally a good match.

Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - (Email Removed)

Bad policies lead to bad results.
Am I the only person who has a problem with food luring?

No, but it's pretty popular. I use it if there is a difficult situation, but I prefer molding for the most part. I think it's good for a dog to get used to being physically manipulated by the owner, and it also doesn't allow for the dog to refuse or take their sweet old time.

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I have a friend whose trainer is teaching her to lure her dog into position. I swear her trainer is ... food distractions. Then the food becomes the reward. Am I the only person who has a problem with food luring?

Hmm. Where in Missouri? Emotion: smile
We will often start with some food luring, depending on the dog. But luring is very quickly replaced with reward. An example is the weaves. We may start a food motivated dog by standing at the end of the channel with food, then transitioning the food to a target. Soon we transition to running to the target for a click and a treat placed on the target after the click, and then fading the target.
However, you don't always want a behavior where you treat from the hand, because that creates a dog who looks at you for the treat, which can cause "fun" things like pole popping and falling off dogwalks.
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