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Philosophically I prefer a higher quality dog food, one where ... suspect aren't used well in digestion - such as feathers.

Feathers?? Are you trying to indicate that Science Diet contains feathers?

Not at all. Although I can see why it might have been taken that way.
Feathers?? Are you trying to indicate that Science Diet contains feathers?

This is a widely advertized PETA platform. Unfortunately, apparently even Diane fell for this one. This dismays me as much as about anything ever suggested on usenet. I thought she was better educated than this.

Diddy, perhaps instead of guessing what I "fell for" you should do as Steve did and ASK. Then keep your cheap shots to yourself.

Feathers are used in animal feed.
http://www.afma.co.za/AFMA Template/1,2491,6552 1646,00.html and as you can see there might well be grounds to argue that choosing against it as a source of protein might be more a matter of philosophy than substance. But since I admit to choosing against feathers purely as a matter of phiolosophy I have not troubled to look into the more substantive issues. I don't look for and remember foods that might have it - I simply choose foods where the ingredient list is sufficiently clear as to avoid it in significant quantities, at least if the list is honest. I don't even know if feathers are still allowed in dog food, specifically. But I can avoid that possiblity by choosing ingredients that are simpler and more predictable. As I said, its a philosphical choice.
But Steve, in the cheaper dog foods, We have a local dog food company (Kings Mill) that uses sawdust as raw fiber. It makes Ol Roy look fabulous.

And what, exactly, is your scientifically based argument against it? Do you have some sort of evidence that it is a problem? If not then what's your gripe?
I've fed ken-l-ration and been satified with it as a food source. I claim no science at all in my decision its not something I would feed today. I guess I'm looking for soemthing beyond bare nutrition.

Diane Blackman
Hello. I just bought a Rottweiler pup. He cost $700 US dollars. I found the breeder from a local newspaper ... but then again he sold it to me. The breeder suggested Pedigree Puppy. The pup is 12 weeks old now.

Science Diet is about as good as a dog food can be. I would stick with the advice of your breeder and feed the puppy food for at least 2 years. Rotts are not fully grown until they are 2. You don't need the large breed formula. Use the regular growth. It has more protein.
Science Diet is about as good as a dog food can be. I would stick with the advice of your breeder and feed the puppy food for at least 2 years. Rotts are not fully grown until they are 2.

I don't agree with this advice on a number of levels, but I'll just address the last point; you haven't seen or have dismissed the posts addressing high protein foods for large breed puppies.
Simply put, a dog will grow into its pre-ordained size sooner or later. Later is better for larger breeds which are prone to structural problems like hip displasia. Your recommendation of high protein foods can exacerbate underlying formation problems.

I recommend an adult food for this puppy.
You don't need the large breed formula. Use the regular growth. It has more protein.

Bad advice.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
We fed our APBT puppy food into her second year and she got really fat! The vet said we should switch to the adult food right away as the puppy food has more calories than she needed anymore. She was about 1.5 years. It took another year to get the weight off.
Indeeed it is bad advice - Do not feed regular growth to this puppy, nor feed any growth product beyond one year. I agree that the Science Diet Large Breed is the perfect product, but then I'm biased as most on this NG know. I've been teaching small animal clincial nutrition to vets and veterinary staff members for over 20 years for Hill's, the manufacurers of Science Diet.
Time for the legal disclaimer
While I am an employee of Hill's and have been for over 20 years, anything I write here on this NG is my personal opinion alone and may or may not reflect the position of the company I work for.
Your recommendation of high protein foods can exacerbate underlying formation problems. I recommend an adult food for this puppy.

You don't need the large breed formula. Use the regular growth. It has more protein.

Bad advice. Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Ditto that what Matt said. And in this
incident I sure don't mind saying
"me too".
Blade was never fed puppy food.
I haven't been feeding Reznor puppy food either
but maybe I should. Though he seems
to be growing just fine.
Gwen
actually most giant breeds should never have puppy food... i have been around great danes my entire life... talk to an actual nutritionist or an expert on the breed i hate to say it but most vets know crap about nutrition... they have one seminar throughout school about nurition and it is generally hosted by iams or science diet (hhmmm makes you wonder)... science diets number one ingrediant is corn which is a FILLER it just ends up right in your yard here chck out this web site it will explain the ingrediants lists to you in full detail...
http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm
Amazing what people believe. If veterinarians knew so little about nutrition they'd be killing pets right and left.
Practice veterinary medicine for a while, compare products (with actual scientific knowledge, education and experience) and get back to me. What's your agenda anyway? Anti vets or anti Science Diet?

-Sharon
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