If I understand correctly, a dog never actually has to move up in NADAC (i.e., Solo and I could live in Novice forever if we wanted to). What are the pros and cons of moving up? In the games classes, it seems like the only difference is that the times are tighter, am I right about that? I am filling out an entry form and don't know which class to put Solo in. The trial is small and only offering games classes (Tunnelers, Weavers, TNG) and I don't know if Solo is supposed to be in Open Tunnelers now or what. Is it much more stressful or just about the same?

OK, more than one question and I should be better prepared but frankly I never really thought this would become an issue.

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If I understand correctly, a dog never actually has to move up in NADAC (i.e., Solo and I could live ... is supposed to be in Open Tunnelers now or what. Is it much more stressful or just about the same?

Lots of good questions, many of which I thought through when Rocky competed in NADAC.
If I were you, and NADAC was my main trialing venue, I'd stick with the class in which I (and dog) felt the most comfortable. If that means sticking with the lower level, that's cool. Agility to me has never been about titles, although NADAC does have sub-titles based upon Qs within a particular class.

I moved Rocky from Novice A to Open as soon as I could, though, because the Novice class was too freakin' huge to comfortably walk the course. Once there, I would have been happy to stay in Open forever, but AAC (my main venue) started having way more trials in my area, so I dropped NADAC.
That's another consideration - I like to keep levels relatively consistent, and my voluntary move to Open in NADAC corresponded to Rocky's mandatory move-up to Advanced in AAC.
Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
If I understand correctly, a dog never actually has to move up in NADAC (i.e., Solo and I could live in Novice forever if we wanted to).

This is actually true of AKC as well you don't have to move up until you get a leg in the higher class. So I've run Cala in Open Standard the past two show weekends, have realized she's not quite ready to deal both with getting contacts and with the tougher courses, and am moving her back to Novice for the thanksgiving weekend.
What
are the pros and cons of moving up? In the games classes, it seems like the only difference is that the times are tighter, am I right about that?

Yes. For games, that's true. And it's also sometimes true for the Regular classes (something I don't like). So for you and Solo, there's no reason not to move up in games, it's just a time thing. He'll make time or he won't (and I bet he will).
I am filling out an entry form and don't know which class to put
Solo in. The trial is small and only offering games classes (Tunnelers, Weavers, TNG) and I don't know if Solo is supposed to be in Open Tunnelers now or what. Is it much more stressful or just about the same?

About the same.
OK, more than one question and I should be better prepared but frankly I never really thought this would become an issue.

Do what feels the most comfortable for you. If the thought of Open makes you apprehensive, then don't go there. Think about it, and you'll know when, and if, you're both ready.
If I understand correctly, a dog never actually has to move up in NADAC (i.e., Solo and I could live in Novice forever if we wanted to).

That is correct.
What are the pros and cons of moving up? In the games classes, it seems like the only difference is that the times are tighter, am I right about that?

In Tunnelers, Weavers, and Touch 'n Go only the times differ.
I am filling out an entry form and don't know which class to put Solo in. The trial is small ... is supposed to be in Open Tunnelers now or what. Is it much more stressful or just about the same?

Stress level is about the same - But you know, if you aren't sure this one trial doesn't commit you. You can move back down if you want, even if you qualify. (Or at least you could last I looked at the rules, but they do keep changing)

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That's another consideration - I like to keep levels relatively consistent, and my voluntary move to Open in NADAC corresponded to Rocky's mandatory move-up to Advanced in AAC.

Heh - I couldn't keep the levels consistent within a venue, much less between two venues. At one USDAA trial I was in
Starters Standard
Advanced Gamblers
Advanced Jumpers
Masters Snooker
Masters Pairs Relay.
Since you have to move up once you title there I went.

In CPE I was in four levels at the same time for two trials.

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That's another consideration - I like to keep levels relatively consistent, and my voluntary move to Open in NADAC corresponded to Rocky's mandatory move-up to Advanced in AAC.

Yeah, best laid plans and all that. My criteria for moving Cala up to Open was running clean Novice courses which she was doing in Jumpers. In Standard she wasn't having offcourses, but was either blowing startlines or not doing her contacts consistently both reasons for me to pull her off the course. But when she did hit contacts, she was clean. So I decided to move up, because I wanted her to start seeing 12 poles in competition and learning to handle the slightly tighter courses.

I have had her in Open the past two weekends, and have decided to leave her in Open Jumpers, but knock her back to Novice Standard. That way I still get to work her on some tighter sequences and with 12 poles at least part of the time, but in Standard she's not having to deal both with tighter handling and the contacts. Once she has demonstrated to me that she really can do contacts consistently in a trial setting, I'll go back up to Open Standard.
So now I'll have one dog in Novice Std and Open Jumpers, and one dog in ExB Standard and Jumpers a recipe for conflicts!! Ah well, it's best for her.
That's another consideration - I like to keep levels relatively ... NADAC corresponded to Rocky's mandatory move-up to Advanced in AAC.

Yeah, best laid plans and all that.

Luckily, Friday moved to the Masters level quickly and easily out-titled and and-Qd Rocky in his first 18 months of competition. The up-shot being that both dogs compete at the same level (though Rocky is still in Advanced in 2 games), so it's easy to co-ordinate their runs. As a bonus, Rocky ran as a veteran and Friday as a regular, so they never had to run close to each other.
As to the only other venue here, I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't take many NADAC trials before I could move Friday to Excellent (to stay on a par with AAC), but we do about 12 AAC trials a year, and that's enough.
Once she has demonstrated to me that she really can do contacts consistently in a trial setting, I'll go back up to Open Standard.

Heh. I hope she doesn't pull a "Friday". Four or five trials in a row (including the Nationals) without a single missed contact; yet, in our last 2 trials he's even missing up contacts, which he's never done in almost 3 years of agility.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Thanks guys I think I'm going to stay in Novice for at least another trial or two. When I feel like I can't stand being in Novice anymore and Solo actually completes the course a few more times we'll move up.

Melanie and Solo, the tunnel specialist

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If I understand correctly, a dog never actually has to move up in NADAC (i.e., Solo and I could live in Novice forever if we wanted to).

Yep.
What
are the pros and cons of moving up? In the games classes, it seems like the only difference is that the times are tighter, am I right about that?[/nq]Well, as far as games go, I think it depends on your motivation. If you're just out there to have fun, it really doesn't matter what level you are running in, as the courses are the same. If you want to have fun but also enjoy a bit of positive reinforcement, you can go for outstanding and superior titles at the Novice level. If you see that your dog is making time for Novice easily, compare them to the Open level times, and if it looks as though time is not an issue, moving up will let you get legs towards higher level titles.

If time is an issue, I wouldn't move up, since you may stress yourself or your dog trying to go faster, or just not have as much fun when not getting the reinforcement of a ribbon or two.
I am filling out an entry form and don't know which class to put
Solo in. The trial is small and only offering games classes (Tunnelers, Weavers, TNG) and I don't know if Solo is supposed to be in Open Tunnelers now or what. Is it much more stressful or just about the same?

If you will stress yourself or your dog because of tighter times, yeah, it will be more stressful. If you go out and run the course regardless of times, and then look at a Q or placement as icing, then moving up shouldn't be too big of a concern.
OK, more than one question and I should be better prepared but frankly I never really thought this would become an issue.

Congrats on the title!
I'm running Wylie this weekend in our first NADAC show since the summer, when we did mostly training in the ring (contacts.) I'm actually going to try and qualify in this trial instead of going into training mode, though I'll TIR if necessary. We are in mishmosh land - novice regular (and gamblers too as a result, though we have our novice gamblers title,) open tunnelers, novice weavers, elite jumpers. I'm hoping to nail the two novice regular courses for his title so I can move up and run the open level regular/gamblers class on Sunday. I haven't tried this combo thing before, should be interesting, because I have no need to earn legs in the novice level, so I won't really "have" to gamble there.
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