Which Red-tail Boas are in the pet stores in California? I was trying to find out the difference between True Red Tail Boas as they are called and common. Most of the websites show pictures of Red Tails being Brown. The ones in the pet stores for $130-175 are gray with red tails? Sting
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Which Red-tail Boas are in the pet stores in California? I was trying to find out the difference between True ... pictures of Red Tails being Brown. The ones in the pet stores for $130-175 are gray with red tails? Sting

Count dorsal saddles... the dark part on their back from neck (not head markings) to vent (don't count saddles below the vent).

If the snake is a Boa constrictor constrictor, the saddle count should be between 15-20... if the snake is a Boa constrictor imperator, the saddle count should be between 22-30.
Below are some comments (with sources cited!!)from the Snakelady you may find relevant!
HTH,
fr0glet
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Date: 2001-09-19 16:46:53 PSTThe Columbians (common boa) & Surinams as well as the Guyanans & Brazilians are all Boa constrictor constrictors. While Columbian boa constrictors are often called Boa constrictor imperator this is incorrect nomenclature. There is much controversy as to the subspecific designations of the red tail boas. The pet trade has added to the confusion by designating geographic variants for red tailed boas such as Surinam, Brazilian & Guyanan red tails. They are all technically Boa constrictor constrictor as well as the Columbian or common boa.

Boa constrictor imperator (some times incorrectly called Columbian red tails) are a more northern species from Mexico & Central America & are much darker in coloration than are the common or Columbian red tail boa constrictor (Boa c. constrictor). The problems associated with this is that there are no accepted taxonomic guidelines corresponding to these common names. A Surinam red tail from one breeder may look completely different from a Surinam red tail boa from another breeder.

Boa constrictors are highly variable in color & pattern & breeders usually don't possess the exact locality data for their adult specimens. In the wild localities overlap where inter-breeding among the Boa constrictor subspecies & geographic variants occur. Often boa constrictors are transported from their country of origin to neighboring countries for shipment to comply with export legalities adding to the confusion. Unfortunately further adding to the confusion is a recent trend by the pet trade to call Columbian boas red tails &/or Boa c.

imperator in order to convince people to pay more for other Boa c. constrictors. These geographic variants (morphs, localities) such as Surinams, Guyanans, Brazilians, etc. are NOT true red tails. The only true red-tail boas are Boa constrictor amarali (Bolivian red tail boa) & Boa constrictor ortoni (Peruvian red tail boa). Other boa constrictors referred to as true red tails are just another way to milk extra money from the consumer. The common or Columbian boa is actually Boa c.

constrictor and occurs in eastern Ecuador, northern & eastern Peru, northern Bolivia, some areas of Brazil, central & eastern Columbia, Venezuela, the Guianas, Trinidad & Tobago (Stimson, 1969). While de Vosjoli (1990) mentions Boa c. constrictor as a very rare Colombian red tail boa out of the Amazon basin & Ilanos of Columbia as well as Brazilian, Guyanan & Surinam red tail boas there isn't any data in the literature to substantiate this claim. As Boa c.

constrictor is the nominate form it stands to reason that Boa c. constrictor is very common & certainly not a rare red tail boa (Fogel, 1997). While some are quite attractive they are not true red tail boas. If the Surinams & Guyanans are true red tails they have yet to be described & are taxonomically classed as Boa c. constrictor as are the Columbians. I hope this helps to clarify boa taxonomy. snake lady
Thanks,
Would if it is 21 Emotion: smile
Well, I bought one today with nineteen dorsal saddles.
Well, I bought one today with nineteen dorsal saddles at the vent. Was labeled Columbian Red Tail Boa by store. Very Dark Gray
Well, I bought one today with nineteen dorsal saddles at the vent. Was labeled Columbian Red Tail Boa by store. Very Dark Gray

Well, at the risk of sounding like an ***..I am somewhat concerned about the above mentioned purchase you just described.
If my memory serves me correctly, you admitted to being new to herps, and have been asking many questions regarding the keeping of a Ball Python. Now, in less than 2-3 weeks from your first snake purchase, you already purchased a Boa Constrictor to which you admit you have NO clue as to if it is a BCC or BCI, nor if it is a pure-bred or a hybrid.
Not knowing what it is that you purchased can be detrimental to the snake in question as many forms of "red tail" exist; some with more demanding requirements than others.
All Boa Constrictors are called "Red-Tail Boas" by most non-specialty pet stores; and snake aficionados often use this generic name to detract people's attention from their proper name. Many, but not all Boa Constrictors are red-tailed. Many Boa Constrictors found in the pet trade are imported from Brazil, Columbia, Amazon, Guyana, and Surinam.

My first suggestion: Find someone who can give you a positive ID on the snake (which may not be possible if it is a low-grade hybrid) so you can learn how to properly care for it.
My second suggestion: Learn how to care for what you heave BEFORE purchasing another!
~Wade
I spent several days going over the requirements for a Boa constrictor constrictors and & Boa c. imperator
I understand completely the set-up requirements and future big demands from both reading Melissa Kaplan's Page and a couple of others.

According to Snake Lady's info in the above thread and Froglet its a Boa constrictor constrictors because it only has 19
dorsal saddles to the vent. I thought I was researching pretty good by asking questions first. After asking these questions I then went out and purchased my snake today. I know it is a Boa constrictor constrictors because it has nineteen dorsal saddles, According to the info provided from Froglet from Snake lady the subspecies and original is not really know to the breeder. Cut and paste below.
Thought I was doing good
Sting
from one breeder may look completely different from a Surinam red tail boa
from another breeder. Boa constrictors are highly variable in color & pattern & breeders usually don't possess the exact locality ... classed as Boa c. constrictor as are the Columbians. I hope this helps to clarify boa taxonomy. snake lady

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Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Red-tail Boa Constrictors
I also have a big advantage.. If I have a Question I have all of you nice people to ask Emotion: smile
Sting
I mention what was said by the store cause I thought it was funny In the fact I already new it was a BCC no matter what they told me.
Sting
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