Not being narky, but perhaps I have posted my request for positive, gentle training techniques in the wrong group.
I didn't get many replies (fewer still with the requested positive techniques), and there seems to be an entrenched view in the group that certain methods are the be-all and end-all of dog training.

They are no good to me. I wouldn't wish to be desensitized to the cruelty of a lot of common training methods. You may not think they are cruel- I understand that and I understand why.
I kind of understand why people put blinkers on and cling blindly to what they're familiar with, but I dont understand why, as rational beings, we often tend to avoid using reason to follow a train of thought to its logical conclusion.
It doesnt hurt to have an enquiring mind. We're all capable of continual learning, and thats a good thing! We dont have to have all the answers, and we can change our mind! If we open it up..
I dont get the feeling that this is a group of dog lovers, so much as it is a group of dog owners.
That's okay, I've just been barking up the wrong tree is all Emotion: smile

Regards,
RRR (its ok to hug your dog! Emotion: smile
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i spent ages writing you a reply and then hit the back button on my mouse by accident and lost the lot. sorry Emotion: sad
basically you need to get them to meet on common ground, i know the circumstances here so bear with me Emotion: smile is there somewhere in the house your current dog doesnt spend much time in?
i know it sound cuckoo but i have to go through this whole routine evry time i have a foster dog or stray here. let them meet on even grounds,ie dont have one on lead and the other off, dont give a treat to one and not the other.
are they both male i dont remember reading what sex they were, if they are both male and not castrated i would get that done pronto, you would be amazed at the difference.
dont take your eyes off them even when you in months of having them together. they may squabble just like kids but keep watch as its so easy for it to get out of hand.
seperate beds,bowls leads every thing.
if they choose there own space away from one another thats fine let it happen but watch out ~ my young dalmatian will upset the others by trying to sit on them when they are in their rest space. shes a little monkey!

most importantly is to play it by ear,and relax Emotion: smile think about your face and body language.
if your uptight then both dogs will sence this and will both be on guard ready.
hey and have fun,its great to make friends.
is there somewhere in the house your current dog doesnt spend much time in?

We only have a small house, kind of open plan- my current dog spends most of her time in the living room or the garage (which opens into the house- from her bed in the garage she can keep an eye on everything going on in the house). She has been spending time in my room since her surgery, but normally it would just be the garage and living room.
i know it sound cuckoo but i have to go through this whole routine evry time i have a foster ... grounds,ie dont have one on lead and the other off, dont give a treat to one and not the other.

I wondered whether meeting at a park might work? Perhaps my dog would meet her as a potential play mate rather than an intruder? Its at least an hours drive from the airport, so I thought if I get a friend to come with me and drive us back, I could spend some time on the back seat with the new dog. The friend could drop me off with the dog at the park, then pick up my dog and bring her to the park for the meeting, that way I have help on hand too (she's a good friend! Emotion: smile
are they both male i dont remember reading what sex they were, if they are both male and not castrated i would get that done pronto, you would be amazed at the difference.

They are both female- desexed. My dog is a big softie- she is quiet, doesnt bark or like too rough play. The other dog is used to entertaining herself outdoors, and from the info I got tonight seems to be starved of attention (apparently tries to stop the lady's son from going back inside after he has been playing with her- actually grabs him around his waist with her paws and the mum has to get her off him). My son is 18 and actually looking forward to having a dog that wants to play out in the yard, so maybe that wont be a problem.
dont take your eyes off them even when you in months of having them together. they may squabble just like kids but keep watch as its so easy for it to get out of hand. seperate beds,bowls leads every thing.

I plan to buy another dog house to put in the garage with the present one. It will mean though that they are both in the garage together at night. If that becomes a problem I can always allow my current dog to sleep in the living room. (The cats will make room for her ;-)
most importantly is to play it by ear,and relax Emotion: smile think about your face and body language. if your uptight then both dogs will sence this and will both be on guard ready.

Yeah, I got some practice this morning at acting calm when I most certainly was NOT. There was a beautiful big rottweiler at the park this morning- a huge boy. Who, without the slightest provocation decided to try and savage my poor girl. I've never witnessed anything so viscious up that close. The only thing that stopped him (he didnt respond to his owner) was his owner crash-tackling him to the ground and pinning him down with his body while I calmed and reassured my dog and got her out of there. I didnt say anything to the guy because I was just focused on settling my dog, but damn, even at an off leash park a dog like that should be leashed :-(
hey and have fun,its great to make friends.

I am excited to be getting her, and I know I'm going to have to put a lot of time into her (into both of them) but I'm nervous nonetheless! I'm more concerned with my dogs reaction to her than I am with any problems I might have with her. I know it will work out in the end, because it just HAS to. Hopefully I'll be able to past back in a months time that I was being totally paranoid and neurotic over nothing :-)
Btw, we plan on slightly changing the new dogs name- from Lara to Zara. Is that a no-no?
Thanks for your input Dallygirl,
RRR
Not being narky, but perhaps I have posted my request for positive, gentle training techniques in the wrong group.

or maybe you are looking for something that does not exist? or maybe you were unclear about what, exactly, you are looking for?
They are no good to me. I wouldn't wish to be desensitized to the cruelty of a lot of common training methods. You may not think they are cruel- I understand that and I understand why.

i leave it up to my dog to decide whether or not something is cruel. for example, i frequently come across advice to use noise distractions because they're supposedly more humane than physical corrections. well, that depends on the dog. some dogs are so sound sensitive that any noise that's sufficient to distract them is also sufficient to scare the hell out of them. that is cruel.
I kind of understand why people put blinkers on and cling blindly to what they're familiar with, but I dont understand why, as rational beings, we often tend to avoid using reason to follow a train of thought to its logical conclusion.

i haven't a clue what you're referring to, but i don't have any particular training methods i'm in love with. i prefer to let my dog be the authority on what works best for her. some of the methods i've seen described as "gentle and positive" would actually be cruel for her. i trust her when she tells me those things are "bad," instead of blindly adhering to a method just because it's supposedly "gentle and positive."
It doesnt hurt to have an enquiring mind.

as long as you don't, as they say, leave your mind so open that your brain falls out.
We're all capable of continual learning, and thats a good thing! We dont have to have all the answers, and we can change our mind! If we open it up..

yes, and to hell with critical analysis?
I dont get the feeling that this is a group of dog lovers, so much as it is a group of dog owners.

you couldn't be more wrong. after several years here, i get the impression that all the regulars love their dogs dearly.
That's okay, I've just been barking up the wrong tree is all Emotion: smile

perhaps, if you'd been clearer about what you were actually looking for, instead of a vague description of what you aren't looking for, your search would have been more successful.
Regards, RRR (its ok to hug your dog! Emotion: smile

and to kiss them on the lips, but what does that have to do with dog training?

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no i dont see a problem with changing from lara to zara, just keep consistent.
and a smelly bit of cheese can help Emotion: smile, zara here (or come) and reward instantly with her treat but remember to call your other girl to or the green eyed monster may step in Emotion: smile
I plan to buy another dog house to put in the garage with the present one. It will mean though ... can always allow my current dog to sleep in the living room. (The cats will make room for her ;-)

waitasecond.. you are wanting "postive" and "kind" answers to problems, but your dogs are left in the garage with dog houses? Do you not see the irony in your methods of choice and how you have your dogs living, vs people who actually build an appropriare relationship with their dogs, which allows the dogs to live like family members in the entire house?

Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
waitasecond.. you are wanting "postive" and "kind" answers to problems, but your dogs are left in the garage with dog houses?

but she hugs her dog! meanwhile, i'm a dog abusing thug whose dog sleeps on the bed with me.

shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net
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but she hugs her dog! meanwhile, i'm a dog abusing thug whose dog sleeps on the bed with me.

I knew that!
I'm a dog abusing thug who takes my dogs on vacations, let's them sleep on the bed except overnight ( where they have their tempurpedic dog beds on the floor instead), spends time taking them to flyball and agility and field training so they can have fun, let them nap on the couches (where they have their own throws) while we watch TV, obsess over feeding them the best that I can for them, spend oodles of tine with them, and never once do I seem to be "kind" enough to shove them in the garage!

Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
I dont get the feeling that this is a group of dog lovers, so much as it is a group of dog owners.

You're focusing on the second word. We tend to focus on the first (dog). Putting human expectations on a dog isn't love - sorry. Loving a dog's dogginess is something else entirely from what you seem to be expecting.

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