Kavik and I did our first NADAC trial this weekend. The weather was pretty crappy - lots of heavy rain and kind of chilly and windy too, but we stuck it out most of the day on Saturday and for all our runs on Sunday.

First I have a couple of questions:
1.saturday our trial started at 8:30 and I left at 6:00, before the jumpersruns started. do the trials usually last this long or are we completely inefficient?
2. And if a ten faults DQ's a dog why does there need to be a twenty pointfault? What exactly is a twently point fault?
I did enjoy the runs - we got our first two q's ever - in tunnelers only but with pretty good times (one six seconds under and the other 9 seconds under) and we ALMOST q'ed in gamblers. Kavik slipped and knocked a bar on the gamble. It was kind of frustrating, but I NEVER expected my dog who can't work distance to be able to do the gamble in the first place, i just entered for kicks, so it was really a huge success.
The rest of our runs were good, three first places, several second places, but with faults. I think our team is beginning to come together - i am seeing kavik is starting to take whatever is in front of him which is great, except when I dont' get the right obstacle in front of him. The novice standard courses had some tough obstacle discrimination which we never saw before in AKC, but amazingly kavik and i did really well on that part. The faults were generally in spots where i didn't expect kavik to run by a jump, and in calling him back around it, he jumped over it on the way back, or missed contacts . He has started blowing off the contacts on the dog walk, so I know we need to start all over with contacts again.

I also found that my trying to talk to him, and slow him down a little, keeping him under control actually sped up our course time. I am unsure if thats because we had to go back less, or if its because he turns tighter a little bit slower. I actually believe its the latter.

I liked doing more runs a day too - i think that it helped me to do the two regular runs - I had my act together better the second time around. I got to do some really cool jobs too, scribes assistant and computer assistant, and got to learn how those processes work - which is good because before I had no idea.
Our last run of the day today was a really fun tunnelers course - we had a blast doing it and we did fabulously, coming in nine second under time in fourth place, with only border collies in front of us. Thats a good run!! A placement, even if its the lowest of the placement, in a huge class, with only previously titled border collies in front of us.

We like NADAC.
Kavik and I did our first NADAC trial this weekend. The weather was pretty crappy - lots of heavy ... left at 6:00, before the jumpers runs started. do the trials usually last this long or are we completely inefficient?

That isn't unusual. Whether you are "completely" inefficient depends of course on how many actual runs there were, number of course changesetc. It doesn't take much to throw a schedule off. Around here a small trial would be 75 dogs. Let's say each person takes an extra 15 seconds to enter the ring, fuss with their dog and lead out. Over 4 runs that would add an hour and 15 minutes to the day.
2. And if a ten faults DQ's a dog why does there need to be a twenty point fault? What exactly is a twently point fault?[/nq]Unlike AKC placements don't depend upon Qs. I suppose the purpose of a 20 point fault is to show it is "more serious". "Unsafe performance" is a 20 point fault. E.g. a fly-off on the teeter. Overly harsh commands or corrections could be assessed 20 points, as could a temper tantrum ("displays of anger" - I know one handler got that when she got *** at the judge). Failure to complete is a 20 point fault.
Let's say I start the weave poles and my dog pops out. I put him back in where he popped out and complete the weaves and move on. I will get a 20 point fault. NADAC rules don't allow you to "fix" the weave poles. You have to do them propertly from beginning to end. IF you do, no faults, if you don't 20 faults. I have actually taken first place over six other dogs with 56 faults.
I did enjoy the runs - we got our first two q's ever - in tunnelers only but with pretty ... to do the gamble in the first place, i just entered for kicks, so it was really a huge success.

Excellent. Sometimes less than perfect runs can still be truly excellent runs. WE had that with a Gamblers run last NADAC trial. I was in the wrong place. Tsuki was awsome. That we didn't get the gamble in time was not his fault and it felt great.
Sounds like you had great fun - which is what it is all about.

Diane Blackman
That isn't unusual. Whether you are "completely" inefficient depends of course on how many actual runs there were, number of ... with their dog and lead out. Over 4 runs that would add an hour and 15 minutes to the day.

it was a smaller trial - tunnelers had 65 dogs entered in it. i don't remember the other numbers. Some of the time problems come from having lots of inexperienced handlers who aren't efficient at getting to the line quickly. I blew it today when the fastest maniac of a BC was in front of me and I left to go to the start line when they told me to, and long before i even got there, and the collar off the dog was finished. It took at least
10 more seconds than if i took his collar off first.
Unlike AKC placements don't depend upon Qs. I suppose the purpose of a 20 point fault is to show it ... no faults, if you don't 20 faults. I have actually taken first place over six other dogs with 56 faults.

Are placements JUST time? Or are the faults figured in?
I did enjoy the runs - we got our first ... justentered for kicks, so it was really a huge success.

Excellent. Sometimes less than perfect runs can still be truly excellent runs. WE had that with a Gamblers run last ... his fault and it felt great. Sounds like you had great fun - which is what it is all about.

We did have fun! I can't wait to try gamblers again!!
Unlike AKC placements don't depend upon Qs. I suppose the purpose of a 20

Are placements JUST time? Or are the faults figured in?

Faults are definetly figured in. HOW they are figured in depends upon the course. In standard its faults, then time. So first dogs are grouped by number of faults (including time faults) and where the faults are the same ranked by time. I think the same applies to jumpers. Gamblers is grouped first by total points, then by time. In gamblers it is possible for someone without a Q to place ahead of someone with a Q based on lots of opening points.
Sometimes (I'm not sure whether it is ever true in NADAC) placements are done by a total score arrived at adding faults+time. So a dog running a course in 25.4 seconds and knocking one bar would have a score of 30.4. When scores are done that way (some classes in USDAA are done that way) it is possible for a non-Q dog to place head of a Q dog. The faultless dog running the course in 30.75 would come in second.

Diane Blackman