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Actually, I think you could probably work out an arrangement with her. One where she would send direct to your* doorstep *allthe Basenji's she ever comes across. Emotion: smile

Are you in touch with her? If so, feel free to give her my email.

-Andrea Stone
Saorsa Basenjis
http://home1.gte.net/res0s12z/
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I also have trouble with this all being pinned on Sue. There are plenty of shelters that use temp testing - I do temp testing every week.[/nq]I'd hope that every shelter and rescue does temperament testing, and you're right that Sue bears the brunt of the criticism because she published a heavily used procedure that, if anything, errs on the side of public safety. I have no problem with the appliances used or the tests themselves. My real problem is the one-size-fits-all adoption of her method. The basic questions are 1. How much latitude should we accept in temperaments for different adopting populations? and 2.

What can we do for dogs who don't test as clearly adoptable?. From the point of view of a breed rescuer, I reserve the right to have a certain amount of latitude for breed temperament (on the friendly approach initial tests), particularly since we have the luxury of matching dogs with adopters. We simply don't have to be as careful in classifying a dog as adoptable or not adoptable. Similarly, if a shelter or rescue has means to work with dogs, any temperament test can simply be an indicator of what work needs to be done.

Lynn K.
From the point of view of a breed rescuer, I reserve the right to have a certain amount of latitude ... dogs with adopters. We simply don't have to be as careful in classifying a dog as adoptable or not adoptable.

Precisely. And that is why we can refer people to breed rescue when they are looking for a particular breed. Thank god for breed rescue. And people who know what they want have all the avenues to go down.

Actually, I think you could probably work out an arrangement ... your* doorstep *allthe Basenji's she ever comes across. Emotion: smile

Are you in touch with her?

Why would I be in touch with her? And I'm not defending her, Andrea, if that's what you're hinting at. Because I don't know what to defend at this point. In other words, I'm about as ignorant as you are when it comes to SS. Yes, I've heard the rhetoric of her detractors, but I haven't seen the documentary, and I've never spoken to her.
If so, feel free to give her my email.

You're the one with the apparently alarming concern.

So you contact her, okay?

Handsome "Jack" Morrison
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Jesus, any Basenji she ever gets is probably toast.

Considering how many Basenjis are out there in the shelters (Petfinder lists 205, but only a handful are actually Basenjis), I'd think that this is highly improbable.
In looking through, I found this dog
http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=680643 who is most definitely NOT a Basenji. There were quite a few more dogs there who were supposedly Basenji mixes that were deemed 'Large'.

Suja
Similarly, if a shelter or rescue has means to work with dogs, any temperament test can simply be an indicator of what work needs to be done.

Bingo. My issue is with the idea that all but the most milquetoast dogs are "bad", and should automatically be put down.
Considering how many Basenjis are out there in the shelters (Petfinder lists 205, but only a handful are actually Basenjis), I'd think that this is highly improbable.

I'm sure you're right - it's not a super common breed and most Basenji clubs have good relationships with the shelters in their area so she probably doesn't see any/many. But as a breed, they wouldn't do well with what I'm hearing about this test. That's all I'm saying. I think most people understand that even the best adjusted Basenjis are not always easy to place.
Our national club just took over the rehoming of upward of 100 seized from a dog collector in MO. Four or so are coming out here, due in tomorrow.

-Andrea Stone
Saorsa Basenjis
http://home1.gte.net/res0s12z/
The Trolls Nest - greenmen, goblins & gargoyle wall art www.trollsnest.com