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She found out. And once she found out, she went about trying to

fix that.

Really? It seems to me like she's trying to decide whether having to do a bit of management is a ... predatory will chase a cat (especially one that fizzes up and runs) and frequently it is a very workable issue.

Are you purposely misrepresentiung what happened with the last dog?

He didn't simply play chase the kitten. Your agenda is showing.
As far as I can see, she's pretty busy coming to terms with that very reality right now...and fairly quickly compared to most folks.

yes, as she keeps saying, hindsight is 20/20

Are you debating that hindsight isn't? For all of us?

So, you came out of the womb training dogs the way you do now? Or, as I suspect, did you learn over time, from your mistakes, lie the rest of us?
But be sure an beat her up some more for opening her eyes. Is your timing with corrections that fine tuned with dogs as well?

She's not a dog, and I'm not trying to "train" her.

Thans for clearing up your agenda. If you're not trying to teach her anything, then you clearly are just in this to kick her a few times and announce how right you are.
The rest of us are trying to teach her how to do better.
One nice thing about how I train is that I don't have to worry much about timing corrections - just reinforcement. However, I'm not seeing much clickable behavior here either.

If your criteria was that high with your dogs, you'd never get anyone trained to do anything, so suspect you're being disingenuous again.
I guess I could ignore "attention seeking" drama.

Or you could *** slap her for it. Oh wait..you already did.

Besides, its hard to see posting "this dog is as good as dead" as anything but your own brand of drama..so how exactly are you rising above the behavior you're condemning here? Looks the same from the outside.
But as long as she's getting plenty from elsewhere that wouldn't help. I see giving too much sympathy and support ... don't think that's useful. I do think that sometimes telling it like it is works with humans. And, sometimes not.

Telling it like it is I've never had a problem with. Being dramatic in order to harm another doesn't really qualify.
I don't recall any advioce coming from you except that she might be responsible for her dog's impending death and should not get another dog.

Well, then. All I can say is that I'm not the person with the "selective reading" issue.

Actually you are. In this thread, its your MO. Not saying I didn't miss a pieceof your advice. Feel free to point it out to me (or even give me some query stroing words to google it myself..I'd be glad to stand corrected on this one). But if its more than one post with skimmed advice on leash walking, I'll eat a piece of Annie's training treats.
Again, you must be reading an entirely different newsgroup than the rest of us.

And you must be reading a different one than I posted advice to.

Since you're the one that's busy categorizing everyone else's words, advice, and priorities (in completely wrong ways) you might want to check your own reactions here.
dogs She's gottwen a LOT of advice. Not all of ... wouldn't do it all that well right off the bat?

She got very consistent advice about separating the dogs when food was in the picture.

No. Consistant would be if she only got advice that said to toaly separate them. Other posts suggested that good things could come out if he was behaving himself. How is a newbie supposed to now when to do what with advice that can be interpreted many ways (especially when not schooled in the reasoning behind some of the training language used)?
If she's not interested in advice from the anonymous people on the internet, why ask for it?

That wasn't what I said, nor was it what I was implying.

Usenet can be the great equalizer. While she's been around long enough to know who the complete morons are, when she's desperate for answers, expecting her to innately know which advice is perfect, and which could lead to further issues is a bit much to demand of her.

But once again, your agenda is showing in how you chose to misinterpret what I was saying. Score two for motives.
And picking out advice which matches what you are envisioning is only useful if you are on the right track to begin with.

Duh.
But of course she was supposed to psychically know that..and know that a misstep on her part would force you to kick her in the teeth as your version of assistance.
Of course, that MUST mean she is sabotaging the dog. There's simply no other, less sinister explanation.

Well, there have been the "oh, silly me! I know I shouldn't have done this but . . ." posts. Frequently.

Sure. And if she continues to do that without getting on the ball, people here will likely write her off. But not before at least trying to do something to help the dog first. Woul have been nice if that was your priority as well.
Tara
Not saying I didn't miss a
pieceof your advice. Feel free to point it out to me (or even give me some query stroing words to ... if its more than one post with skimmed advice on leash walking, I'll eat a piece of Annie's training treats.

Shrug. Feel free to go look.
I'd be concerned about the possibility of Briar getting the idea that you are his, and the he can resource guard you against other dogs/people.

Ah okay, I understand.
This is one of those situations where in-person eyes are vital. IIRC you described Briar and Roxy playing while Briar ... potentially be providing the fuel for another fight, only this time, over you instead of over a bone or toy.

Definitely something I want to avoid! I'll stop allowing that.
I'm not saying that's what's going on, but the potential may be there. Until you can get help from a ... to play with each other right now, and allowing them to continue doing so could do more harm than good.

Good advice. Thank you.

Lynne
My aside aside, it's possible that your new dog is looking at you as his own, even after this short a time. This can be a good thing and used to advantage. Train him, one-on-one, away from Roxy and build his confidence.

I will definitely do this.

Lynne
Mine! (the book) arrived today and I plan to read it at least twice.

Lynne
Not saying I didn't miss a

pieceof your advice. Feel free to point it out to ... leash walking, I'll eat a piece of Annie's training treats.

Shrug. Feel free to go look.

since I'm getting no hits for it, it would speed things up if you at least pointed out what topic you were giving out advice on.

Tara
Mine! (the book) arrived today and I plan to read it at least twice.

Don't worry about twice.
More important to read it
S L O W L Y
Tara
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