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Interesting, I never thought to work on holding a stand.
By the way, I have visited and observed more than a couple "professional" trainers who I would not want to work my dog.

You'll do just fine here, Scott.

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Interesting, I never thought to work on holding a stand.

If you ever get into competetive obedience, you need to. But, for useful reasons, you can take nice photos! Shelly & The Boys
Interesting, I never thought to work on holding a stand.

It's one of those commands that a lot of trainers gloss over unless you're getting ready to compete in obedience. I know our trainer did, and I (like you) didn't really think it was something we "needed."

But it's a really useful command for places like the vet's office, when you need the dog still but with body and limbs accessible.

When I give my shepherd the command to "stay" at a distance, she always wants to come to me. If ... than standing, but in basic obedience training, shouldn't a dog be able to stay at a distance and remain standing?

I'm a little confused because it sounds like you're equating Stay with Stand. She should be able to hold any of the 3 positions, Sit, Down, or Stand, until you give her a release or a subsequent command - assuming that you've trained.
When dogs have problems staying it is usually due to a couple of very common human training errors:
- not consistently using a release word, so the dog learns to break the stay
- pushing time or distance beyond the dog's capability too fast - not returning to the dog when initially training; calling the dog to you
- backing away from the dog or bending over her
- teaching praise as a release so that you lose the ability to use praise to encourage continuation of the Stay
- initially putting the dog into position in front of you instead of at heel position
- contradictory hand signals
- harsh voice "Stay" that stresses the dog
- leaving the dog on your left leg, pulling her out of position

Lynn K.
Now you tell me. I just went out and bought a nice, fast, digital camera because I couldn't get her to pose for me. Darn it.
Well I probably do all of those things plus many more. But she is teaching me and eventually I will be a better trainer. Actually she is doing quite well, especially given her breeding. She is a DDR (east) German shepherd with working bloodlines. She is very strong willed and from the time I got her was food aggressive, handler aggressive, and dog aggressive. As well as coming along very nicely with her obedience, she is no longer dog, food, or handler aggressive. Ina is one year old. Thanks for the advice.
Hi Scott,
It might be that your dog is a bit anxious , he sounds like my dog , he hates being photographed.
With dibby I started off by asking him to stay there while I was standing within a few feet and when he was comfortable with that , I increased the distance. He's not comfortable with staying when he is a long way from me at the park , I think it's because he feels vunerable.
Sounds to me like he is trusting his own instincts ... so why not? I too find the stay command moreuseful


the human, more confusing for the dog.

oh, i didn't say i disagreed with him about stay, i just found itodd he'd trust some random person on the internet rather than severaldifferent trainers. oh well. -kelly

Hi kelly ,
It's difficult to know who to trust. Any one could say they are a trainer whether they are on the inernet or in real life but in real life you can check a trainers qualifications. I did get some useful advice though from a dog forum about using a whistle for emergency recall which comes in handy!
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