Hello all,
I am new to posting here, having just discovered this group. I've had kitties since I moved away from home in 1993 (after college). My male cat, Murray, 10, died last Mother's Day of heart failure. Apparently he had a congenital defect that no other vet ever caught. Poor baby. He was the best cat.
That left me with my female, Boo, who is also 10. She seemed a bit lonely but made the adjustment well. She'd probably like to be an only cat, but recently that changed when we adopted two cats from shelters.

Bilbo is a male domestic long hair, age 3, neutered. He came from a foster home where he lived with 3 other foster cats in their own room (the owner has her own cats too). He is a very sweet, passive cat, or at least I thought he was. He seems afraid of Boo, who hissed and growled at him at first but after almost a week seems to be getting used to him. So that's working out. He was adopted last Sunday. His only problem is one peeing (not spraying) incident in a beanbag we had in the family room. We surmised that Boo scared him away from the catbox and he just had to go. It hasn't happened again.
Now, enter Sam. He was brought home on Wednesday. He's a 6 month old domestic short hair kitten, neutered. He's very cheerful and easygoing as well, with a relatively mellow personality for a kitten. He's playful, but now overly so. He seems to be adjusting much better than Bilbo and is not afraid of Boo. He grew up in a shelter of 500 cats (a no-kill with a huge facility), so he's used to being hissed at, etc. He takes it all in stride.

Today Bilbo and Sam were doing something odd that I've not seen before. Bilbo was on top of Sam, holding him by the scruff of his neck with his mouth, and pinning him to the floor. He was not growling, hissing, or otherwise acting angry. Sam just laid down and took it. He did this several times, from the back and then from the side, holding him down with his paw and the mouth thing. Sam did not protest. After this, Sam started walking around "talking" and I thought he was hurt or upset, but no, he hung around Bilbo and tried to play with him. They engaged in a little batting about of paws and then Sam lied down on his back and purred (loudly). No fighting.
Two questions: What could this be? Are they just playing? Bilbo didn't seem to be playing, but not fighting either, so I'm not sure. He's kind of a serious cat, so maybe this is his idea of playing? Also, we put a topical (Hartz) flea treatment on all three cats last night as we saw fleas on both the new ones. When Bilbo grabbed Sam by the scruff of the neck he had his mouth on the area where the treatment went. Will this make him sick? I assume it had soaked in by this a.m., but I'm a little concerned.

Thanks in advance for any help! I'm sure I'll be a regular poster now with such odd (to me, at least) goings on : ).
Dawn
Boo (F-10), Bilbo (M-3), and Sam (M-6 months)
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Bilbo and Sam.
Very cute. hehe
LOTR fan, eh?
Today Bilbo and Sam were doing something odd that I've not seen before. Bilbo was on top of Sam, holding ... paws and then Sam lied down on his back and purred (loudly). No fighting. Two questions: What could this be?

Could be playing. If it were a female, I'd say discipline, but I've not seen that from male cats.
Male cats will also mount this way, but I've not heard of mounting behavior as a dominance display in cats. Dogs mount as a display of dominance, so anything is possible.
I wouldn't worry overmuch, since there is no stress or blood.
Are they just playing? Bilbo didn't seem to be playing, but not fighting either, so I'm not sure. He's kind ... a topical (Hartz) flea treatment on all three cats last night as we saw fleas on both the new ones.

Hartz is poison.
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Got pics of the kitties? Emotion: smile

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No pics developed yet, but I'll post a link when I get them done.

Thanks again!
Dawn
The activity you mention sounds like cat play after all, their "play" is pretend fighting.
Good luck with your kids.
Thanks for your reply, Kaeli. They seem to be playing in earnest now, so I guess that's ok. But now ... They seem fine thus far, but I would die if one of my kitties got sick because of our stupidity.

Please don't confuse stupidity with ignorance. You had no way of knowing that Hartz was dangerous. Now that you know, you obviously don't plan to use it again. You aren't stupid (as far as I can tell); please don't beat yourself up over this.
Stepdawn (Email Removed) quoth:
Today Bilbo and Sam were doing something odd that I've not seen before. Bilbo was on top of Sam, holding ... in a little batting about of paws and then Sam lied down on his back and purred (loudly). No fighting.

That's a dominance thing. They're just working out the social hierarchy in your household. Bilbo was telling Sam that Bilbo was the boss of him, was "on top" literally and figuratively. Sam was saying, OK.

Priscilla
Thanks for your reply, Kaeli. They seem to be playing in earnest now, so I guess that's ok.

Okay? That's great!
It can take a long time for cats to decide to get along.
But now I am freaking out about the Hartz thing. I had no idea it was a different ingredient. My ... They seem fine thus far, but I would die if one of my kitties got sick because of our stupidity.

Ah, not stupid. It's not like the box says "buy this to kill your cat". I used it, too, on my then-50-pound dog, who proceeded to vomit and get diarrhea. Only later did I find out about the reputation of the product. She is now on Advantix. The cats aren't on anything; there are few fleas or ticks in the area and they (the cats, not the fleas) never leave the yard. If my cats ever got fleas or ticks, I'd use Advantage.
No pics developed yet, but I'll post a link when I get them done.

Cool!

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Well, I checked out those websites, and after a bit of panic, I promptly took all three cats (one at a time, of course) into the bathroom and gave them a bath. I washed them three times with Dawn dishwashing liquid (I saw this recommended on Hartzvictims.org) and rinsed with tons of water. Picture me in the tub, in my underwear, holding a cat between my legs and washing their neck like there is no tomorrow : ). I had so much adrenalin pumping through me you wouldn't believe it. I have scratches to show for it, too. But all in all, they handled it well and don't seem too mad at me now.
Hopefully they won't get sick. So far they are ok, and I got the stuff off about 20 hours after application. I pray they don't have any reactions. I think we'll live with the fleas for a bit, and then use Advantage or Frontline if necessary.
Thanks for everyone who gave me the heads up on this especially Kaeli who was the one who spurred on the cat bathing marathon.

Also thanks for the advice on the cat behavior. Bilbo and Sam seem to be quite fine with each other now, so I've got two easy going boys and one absolutely insane female : ).
Dawn
Stepdawn, if it makes you feel any better I had no idea about Hartz, either..I also learned from this newsgroup to not even consider declawing. I had no idea of the nightmare it causes to cats until I came in here. It's amazing what you learn just from talking with others!! I'm so glad I joined this group.
Christina
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