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Usually if you're wearing shoes and only touch the hotwire, you don't feel a thing. Now if you're not wearing shoes or if you stick your hand in a waterbucket...

That's what would worry me. Stranger things have happened.
Lia
On Usenet, "non-existent" is at best an ephemeral quality.

I realise that. For example, rec.pets.dogs has been technically non-existent since the split, though some servers carry it. Generally, though, groups in the "Big 8" are not ephemeral.

However, I was questioning the cross-post to rpd.training which was recently proposed and rejected.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
A hotwire is generally more reliable.

But wouldn't the hotwire be something that could be touched by an unknowing human stranger? I like the idea of knowing that the wire only works on the one wearing the collar.

Not terribly likely, if you run it along the inside of the fence. The one at the top can be offset a bit inward rather than directly above the top of the fence.

You can also put up small signs that say "Caution - electric fence."
The dog charger I used to use felt about like being whapped hard by a big rubber band.
flick 100785
What's an unknowing human stranger doing inside my fence?

Apparently, he's touching your hotwire.

Paula
"I think I'm having the best childhood I've ever had!" Mimi
Your question has been answered very well, but I've a question for you: why are you cross-posting to a non-existent group? Just curious.

Hi. Yes, I would like to thank everyone for the opinions. It gives me plenty to think about. I'm new ... know what non-existent group you are referring to. Both rec.pets.dogs.behavior and rec.pets.dogs.training are available on my Newsfeeds.com server. Thanks again.

You can get free UseNet access from news.individual.net, rather than paying for access through Newsfeeds.com.

Marcel and Moogli
@panix2.panix.com:

Lots of people bury railroad ties, pour concrete, or bury hardware cloth.

sigh. Mentally budgeting the time to dig trench, level trench, rent concrete mixer, get concrete, mix concrete, shovel concrete, etc. The backhoe is not an option because of configuration of this fence-line. :-(
At another house I lived at, the fencing was old but we couldn't replace it right away. In the meantime, chicken wire attached to the fence and brought out a ways kept the dogs on all sides in their respective yards. If your point is to keep the pup from thinking it is a good idea to try to dig under, it may not have to be really elaborate. It just needs to be enough to slow down/frustrate puppy during potty breaks if you plan on doing the kind of training and spending time with the dog indoors that most people around this newsgroup do.

If the dog has to be out enough to have more time and energy on its hands to figure things out, I wouldn't rely on the chicken wire solution, probably, though you could always start with something cheap and easy like that and only have to go dig and pour concrete if that turns out not to be enough.

Paula
"I think I'm having the best childhood I've ever had!" Mimi
Your question has been answered very well, but I've a question for you: why are you cross-posting to a non-existent group? Just curious.

Hi. Yes, I would like to thank everyone for the opinions. It gives me plenty to think about. I'm new ... know what non-existent group you are referring to. Both rec.pets.dogs.behavior and rec.pets.dogs.training are available on my Newsfeeds.com server. Thanks again.

I don't even pretend to understand this whole "vote for a newsgroup" thingie, but I was under the impression that the "training" group failed to garner enough votes to exist.
Are you getting replies in that newsgroup?
Tara
(Chicken Wire)
It just needs to be enough to slow down/frustrate puppy during potty breaks if you plan on doing the kind of training and spending time with the dog indoors that most people around this newsgroup do.

Bingo. I'm not even worried too much about digging (although I just saw a wonderful photo of some FCR excavation work on our breed's Flickr site) but about pup getting curious about wiggling through some of the gaps between fence and grass.
That would be a good place to start.

Kate
and Storm the FCR
I don't even pretend to understand this whole "vote for a newsgroup" thingie, but I was under the impression that the "training" group failed to garner enough votes to exist.

Since the RFD and CFV for rec.pets.dogs.training went through (and failed), I have been lurking in news.groups (where most of the serious discussion on these things takes place).
The way that it works is something like this: (filtered by my possible lack of undestanding)
UseNet is still pretty much an anarchy. If a newsgroup server administrator decides to create a group, there is very little that people can do to stop him/her from doing so. Of course, there is nothing forcing other ng server administrators from carrying that group either.
The RFD/CFV process is a formalized process set up by a group of people who have volunteered to administer a list of all the newsgroups in the "Big Eight" hierarchies (comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, and talk.*) If the process passes, they send a message out to servers asking them to create the group, as it has passed their requirements. The ng server administrators are free to follow that message or not. If the proposal fails (as in the case of rpd.training), then no message is sent out and the group is not created.
However, some administrators will, if their clients ask for it, create a newsgroup without awaiting the message from the administration team. That ng does exist, on that server, howvere as the other servers may not acknowledge its existance, they may (or may not) look for messages in that group.
There was actually a recent thread in news.groups about this happening.

Do a google search for Postgresql in news.groups if you want more info by people who know way more.

Marcel and Moogli
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