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I'm with you for non-sporting breeds (ie, Dobie, Rottie, etc), but after I saw an undocked Springer Spaniel after a day of hunting in the dense brush, I changed my mind about docking for sporting breeds.

They can really injure their tails. I do wonder, though, why hunters don't come up with some sort of protective gear for the tail instead of cutting it off. Right now, the best option *is* docking if the dog is used for hunting, but it seems to me that there should be another option.
If a horse banged up its legs, they'd put on leg wraps, not cut them off. I stub my toes a lot. I wouldn't want them removed. I'd want to wear shoes. LOL
It just makes me wonder if the real problem isn't a lack of respect for the dog, not really something that is in the dog's best interests.

As for declawing, well, we know that doesn't do a damn thing for the cat, so it isn't even comparable.

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Anti-docking Alliance:

http://www.anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page 9.htm

Interesting. I wonder what their policies are on declawing?

It's not an issue in the UK nor is ear cropping and de-barking . I think the anti-dock would be heartily against declawing . Alison
Anti-docking Alliance: Interesting. I wonder what their policies are on declawing?

It's not an issue in the UK nor is ear cropping and de-barking . I think the anti-dock would be heartily against declawing . Alison

I wish it was a non-issue here too Emotion: sad
Lauren

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I'm with you for non-sporting breeds (ie, Dobie, Rottie, etc), ... brush, I changed my mind about docking for sporting breeds.

They can really injure their tails. I do wonder, though, why hunters don't come up with some sort of protective ... cut them off. I stub my toes a lot. I wouldn't want them removed. I'd want to wear shoes. LOL

Well, they've tried wrapping tails in the UK and Europe unfortunately, the wraps get caught in the heavy brush. If the wrap is thin enough that it doesn't get caught, it gets shredded along with the tails.
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hiya , just to show the other side of the argument :) Anti-docking Alliance: http://www.anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/page 9.htm

I checked it out, and I have to admit, I wasn't impressed. There were no cites to back their claim that the real reason for tail docking was aesthetic preference, and precious little scientific discussion.
Lots of tail injuries also happen in dogs that are kennelled including greyhounds.

This is true, but it's not to the point where the majority* of dogs in a breed suffer catastrophic tail injuries. An undocked Springer Spaniel that is allowed to do what it was bred to do *will damage its tail badly, and it's likely to damage it badly enough that it has to go through the major surgery of tail amputation at an older age. Isn't it better to do when the dog's bones are still soft and it doesn't have a developed nervous system?
Let me specify that I only support docking in the sporting dog breeds, where the docking still serves a definable purpose. I think aesthetic docking is stupid.
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How about some kind of doggie pants, or doggie diaper, where the tail would be kept inside the pants?
Lauren

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Well, they've tried wrapping tails in the UK and Europe unfortunately, the wraps get caught in the heavy brush. If the wrap is thin enough that it doesn't get caught, it gets shredded along with the tails.

Kevlar?
Just a thought.

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Interesting. I wonder what their policies are on declawing? See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

I live in the UK and know lots of people who have lots of cats. I had never heard of de-clawing till I joined this newsgroup. At first I thought it was some sick joke by a trol. Now, well, I'm absolutely incredulous that any sane person can advocate this barbaric and in-humane practice. It really does beggar belief!
Lindsey
Interesting. I wonder what their policies are on declawing? See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

I live in the UK and know lots of people who have lots of cats. I had never heard of ... I'm absolutely incredulous that any sane person can advocate this barbaric and in-humane practice. It really does beggar belief! Lindsey

I sure wish it was that way here in the U.S. What is even more mind boggling is that vets, who are supposed to care about the health and welfare of animals, can actually amputate the ends of a cat's toes with nary a thought. So long as they make money off of it, I guess they just don't care Emotion: sad

Lauren

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