So on a better herp-related subject..
I just picked up this "Graybanded King Snakes" book and was reading through it. In the book, it mentions ruthvens king snakes.

Now I have a couple of milksnake phase thayeri king snakes, and remember the guy I bought them from telling me he only got milk snake phase out of his pair-and no other type.
I'm wondering if these could possibly be Ruthvens? Or are thayeri just a type of ruthvens? I've noticed alot of websites say its really easy to get the species confused. Maybe they are thayeri, but just produce only milksnake phase, who knows Emotion: smile Its not going to change my mind about these two-they are beautiful, and that is why I picked them up-but I'm just curious how one would tell the difference between the two.

thanks,
Cat
at the store i help out at we have a ruthveni and two thayeri. the thayeri we have are beige with narrow orange stripes with very thin black bands. tho i am sure we could have been missinformed as to the type of phase they are. we also have to apricote tri color kings , probly my favs of the kings followed by grey bands and variables. not to sure if this will help you at all but i try Emotion: smile
at the store i help out at we have a ruthveni and two thayeri. thethayeri we have are beige with ... followed by grey bands and variables. not to sure if this will help you at all but i try Emotion: smile

I was just curious about how to tell the difference. This book says they both get to about the same size, and have MANY similarities. Pretty confusing. I still like my two and plan to breed them to my leonis phase male regardless.
-cat
So on a better herp-related subject.. I just picked up this "Graybanded King Snakes" book and was readingthrough it. In ... no other type. I'm wondering if these could possibly be Ruthvens? Or are thayeri just a type of ruthvens? Etc..

Cat,
In a word, NO, Ruthvens and Thayeri are not the same, nor are they subspecies of one another.
It is true that L. ruthveni and the "Milksnake-phase" L.m.thayeri are similar in appearance; and are easily confused; but they are not the same not related.
The exact explanation and differences you seek is much too long to post here, but if you have (or know anyone who has) the book: "Kingsnakes and Milksnakes...a complete owners manual" (published by Barron's. ISBN# 0-8120-4240-9), pages 49-51 has one of the best descriptors of any book dealing with the differences between the two.
Good luck!
~Wade
Thats what I thought. This graybanded kingsnake book is confusing-makes thayeri sound like they are a subspecies of ruthvens!

I do have that book, I'll snag it from downstairs and take a looksi.

-cat
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