Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol, my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up Emotion: smile so, whadda ya say do ya like him or not?
I say Thumbs UP!!
Be Free,
Judy
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Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol, my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up Emotion: smile so, whadda ya say do ya like him or not? I say Thumbs UP!!

I've only seen the show once. He seemed to have some pretty good ideas on the show I watched. I kind of have a bad attitude about anything "whisperer" but I figure if he is a good trainer, I guess I could get over him calling himself the dog whisperer. In all honesty, though, I couldn't tell from that one episode alone whether he is a good trainer in general or not. I did like the way he handled the owners. He seemed to want them to be calmly confident and understand what their dogs need from them, which I am all for.

Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay
Thumbs up or Thumbs down

Thumbs down for me. I disagree with a lot of the techniques he uses. For example, he often uses flooding to overcome fears, and I believe flooding produces very temporary relief, at best, and often intensifies the fear instead of decreasing it. There are others, but those are kind of trainer objections to a show that is aimed at the average dog owner. That's really where my biggest objection is - that he doesn't really show the work behind the results and misleads viewers by oversimplifying what's actually done. Remember that you are viewing a heavily edited show. Pat Miller said it much better than I can in her review of his book for the APDT journal. I'll try to find an online copy of that review to link to.
Lynn K.
Thanks ladies for your opinion. I would be very interested in one person's review of the book. It is my current favorite book. I am not familiar with the term flooding? Could you help me out Lynn? Certainly I understand he doesn't just show up on the scene and fix the dogs and their owners on one edited show. I assume the general public gets it too..but I like his style I just need to be more consistent.

Be Free,
Judy
Thumbs down for me. I disagree with a lot of the techniques he uses. For example, he often uses flooding to overcome fears, and I believe flooding produces very temporary relief, at best, and often intensifies the fear instead of decreasing it.[/nq]Some of the human research has shown flooding to be very effective for anxiety, but since it is hell on the patient, gradual desensitization still seems to be the preferred method. I remember a brand new PhD talking a few years back about how flooding would be the only way desensitization was done in the near future and wondering if she had worked with any real live patients. Aside from the toll it takes on the dog or human to have it flooded with its fear in an intense session instead of exposed gradually over time, I am not sure that dogs would even get the same benefit that humans did.

It seems to me that flooding would work on a more cognitive level whereas desensitization can work on either a cognitive level or an emotional association level or both and still work. But I'm just thinking out loud. I would be interested in what you have seen with flooding work with dogs.

Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay
Thumbs up or Thumbs down??? I love him. He is my idol, my hero, my guru. i want to be him when I grow up Emotion: smile so, whadda ya say do ya like him or not? I say Thumbs UP!! Be Free, Judy>>

Can you give me his name. I'm in the Uk and dont know who you mean. Alison
Thumbs down for me. I disagree with a lot of ... best, and often intensifies the fear instead of decreasing it.

Some of the human research has shown flooding to be very effective for anxiety, but since it is hell on ... just thinking out loud. I would be interested in what you have seen with flooding work with dogs. Paula>>

The problem with dog training/behaviour TV shows is that Joe Public will use the techniques and likely make things worse.
Alison
Thumbs up or Thumbs down

Thumbs down for me. I disagree with a lot of the techniques he uses. For example, he often uses flooding ... book for the APDT journal. I'll try to find an online copy of that review to link to. Lynn K.

Put me in the thumbs-UP column. And I disagree with you that his flooding techniques would produce only temporary relief. At least the ones that I've seen him use.
But I don't know much more about him that what I see on his show, which I think is a pretty good one.
Because it highlights and demonstrates that it's almost always the owner's behavior that is at the root of a dog's behavior.

I'd like to read Miller's review though, so please do post a link if you find one.

Handsome Jack Morrison
Thumbs down for me. I disagree with a lot of ... best, and often intensifies the fear instead of decreasing it.

Some of the human research has shown flooding to be very effective for anxiety,

Really? I'd love to see the results of those studies. I've never found the results (amazing as they can be) anything more than temporary results at best. Though my sample group only involves me (I was unintentionally flooded with heights, and yes I'm terrified of heights!), a few friends who have confronted their inner terrors, and a buttload of dogs.
but since it is hell on the patient, gradual desensitization still seems to be the preferred method. I remember a ... of exposed gradually over time, I am not sure that dogs would even get the same benefit that humans did.

I've also seen lots of dogs react by learning to become anxious about things associated with the flooding. Really dangerous stuff, IMO.
It seems to me that flooding would work on a more cognitive level whereas desensitization can work on either a ... But I'm just thinking out loud. I would be interested in what you have seen with flooding work with dogs.

When I was flooded, I was actually "cured" of me fear of heights..for about a month. And it wasn't at all cognitive (trust me, cognitive never enters the picture when heights are involved). The thing I really liked about it was that for the first time in my life, I could truly appreciate a beautiful view from a mountaintop. But, it really didn't last long. Perhaps if I had gone to high places every day in that time, I might have maintained what I had gained, I don't know. But it was still totally temporary. That was the only time I've ever been completely flooded. The times I've gone to high places and not "finished the job", I've only ended up with the fear reinforced and nervous about associated stimuli.
In dogs, I've done some work with this stuff. I have not seen flooding to be very practical or very helpful for the most part. If its a minor anxiety, then flooding can be a quick method through the fear to get to the good result for the dog. Enough times of that, and the dog makes the connection..but then the discomfort/anxiety wasn't acute in those dogs in the first place. When its a deeper level of anxiety, I've seen the greatest successes with desensitization. They often have to be maintained as well, but it is so much less stressful on the dog (even if its more stressful on the owner to accomplish), and the opportunities to create positive associations are much greater.
Ok, I should never try to write more than 2 sentences without having had my coffee. Hope any of this made sense.
Tara
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