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drive. It should be interesting to read about other's preceptions ... don't believe anyone here other than me has done that.

We just went from Oregon to Wisconsin, 3 Belgians crated in the back of my friend's pick up (with canopy ... a bit exhausting, but fun. I'm still debating whether I'll drive or fly for next year's in Oklahoma, however!!

Sorry, I meant a cross country drive with three dogs with intent to re-locate,leaving everything familiar behind you. Heh.
There's a big difference in the feeling as you put the miles behind you knowing you'll never be back.
I have decided that Oregon has about the worst rest stop facilities this side of WI, only outdone by the ... interior. (Lebanon,Oregon suxs!) And Wyoming (at least where we went) and Minnesota have the BEST.Where in Wyoming did you stay?

(I went to HS in Casper ages ago but I'm curious.) AAA sent us a travel
Terri

Hanging is too good for a man who makes puns;
he should be drawn and quoted.
- Fred Allen
It should be interesting to read about other's preceptions of ... me has done that.(see my earlier reply about re-locationing but)

I have no idea where to snip here, it's all so interesting.
Some of the highlights of those trips (in no particular order): - letting the dogs romp free on the grass ... at 2-3 am in the middle of a housing project in Shreveport and I distinctly saw drug deals going down.

These are killer-keeper stories, and exactly the kind I am talking about.
Other than traveling and relocating websites, I have to wonder how many of these experiences to share are out there, readily accessible. Oh there's a lot on the nitty gritty planning stages, but what about the memories& stories?
One of the funnier things about those trips was the reaction I tended to get from non-doggy friends: "You're going ... as being alone?One thing I've never had a problem with having my Sheps, and that's a fear of being alone.

Here's a good one for you. I actually had comments (several) from people who knew full well how devoted I am to my dogs ask me:
"Are you taking your dogs with you?"
Hello???!!!
Terri

Hanging is too good for a man who makes puns;
he should be drawn and quoted.
- Fred Allen
- letting the dogs romp free on the grass at ... of sorts I have to pity your impoverished childhood )

Pity me please. I can now explore the other half of the country.

Ah, but see - I spent quite a lot of time at Sunnybank as a child, though I'd never been there before that particular day :-). It's the setting of quite a few novels by Albert Payson Terhune, told from the perspective of the Rough Collies he raised there. I read those books over & over and was completely enamored by his vision of his noble, intelligent, capable, sensitive dogs. (And no, it is not a coincidence that I ended up with hairy herding dogs - that's how much those books influenced me.)

At any rate, Sunnybank is a public park now (something I learned on this group, BTW.) So being that I was going to pass within a few hundred miles anyway, how could I resist? It was an incredible experience knowing that my dogs were playing on the same lawns as Lad, Lady, Wolf, Ellen and all the rest did so many years ago. There are even tombstones marking where some of them are buried.
BTW, in the novels the dogs always think of Sunnybank as The Place. And so do I - I actually had to think pretty hard before I could remember its actual name. :-)
To make a long story short: if you're ever near Wayne, New Jersey, don't miss it - especially if you have your dogs with you. More info: http://www.sunnybankcollies.us /
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/terhune.html
http://unquiettomb.com/sunnybank.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/1728/
http://www.math.ttu.edu/~wlewis/sunnybank.htm
- the kind mechanic that saved our butts in Wyoming, and fed the dogs cookies too

Where in Wyoming?

Sorry, can't remember exactly - but it was one of the mountainous parts and it was **HOT** that day...
Met two so far. Delightful experience.

I've met so many I can't count. Hi, all of you out there; you know who you are! I even met my significant other on rpd* :-) :-) :-).
- getting lost in Montreal (yes, it was funny, OK?)

Okay, I can relate here. I got lost at 2-3 am in the middle of a housing project in Shreveport and I distinctly saw drug deals going down.

Now that you've reminded me, I got lost in East St. Louis, too...
Here's a good one for you. I actually had comments (several) from people who knew full well how devoted I am to my dogs ask me: "Are you taking your dogs with you?"

Oh geeezz... y'know, people like that just live in a totally different universe than I do. I just SO cannot relate to anyone who could possibly say anything like that!
Dianne
Sorry, I meant a cross country drive with three dogs with intent to re-locate,leaving everything familiar behind you. Heh. There's a big difference in the feeling as you put the miles behind you knowing you'll never be back.

I can't imagine!
at all Best Westerns until I got inland in Oregon and being forced to drive straight through to home due to the very unwelcome receptions my dogs received after I got into the Oregon interior. (Lebanon,Oregon suxs!)

Heheh...and there's really just a whole lotta nothing there... There's a nice herding trial in Sweet Home (ASCA), but that's closer to I-5.
Where in Wyoming did you stay? (I went to HS in Casper ages ago but I'm curious.)

We didn't, just the I-90 pass through from Montana to SD. Sorry South Dakotan's,
but that whole eastern MT, WY & SD could just go away. What an incredibly boring drive. We had a tumbleweed fly out in front of us, that was about the height
of the excitement. We did stop at Little Bighorn, and Devil's Tower was pretty neat.
The dogs enjoyed the walk (outside of the National Park area, thankyouverymuch!),
and thought the pastured, domestic buffalo were REALLY cool.

Stopped at Wall Drug (ha! There are photos of me on a bucking bronco, and on
a Jackalope floating around somewhere!) and at the Corn Palace however... Weird...just weird.
Shelly & The Boys
: Is there A/C vents in the back? No.

(Nice grammar on my part...sheesh...ARE there A/C vents...)

I suppose with it being so short that you probably don't need them as much as you would in a mini-van. Do the windows in the back open?
It's a sort of weird thing. It's a skylight, and it doesn't slide open it pops out. And it's ... would have been cool to have a real sunroof in the front. My Integra had one and I LOVED it.

Oh that is weird...I love sunroofs as well. But, they're not overly practical
in Oregon. I had a convertible once upon a time...it rains WAY too much here.
drive into a field for a sheepdog trial and then get stuck in the mud without 4wd, but it wasn't ... with really giant trucks that can pull me out! The 2wd gets slightly better gas mileage because it weighs less.

Yep, those are exactly the reasons I was thinking of. I actually did get my
car stuck last year at an ASCA trial. But, with my little car, it just took a
couple of nice guys to give me a shove out of the mud.
There is red. It is a very sharp, nice red and has black trim. I liked that one too, but ultimately I liked orange more. The red ones seem to be rare I've never seen one out on the road.

I think it might be new this year. I've only seen one and it was on a car-hauling
semi, brand new. It's a nice deep red, not too orange and not too burgandy.
It's very pretty, from what I remember.
You're welcome! Let me know if there's anything else you want to see.

Thanks again, I actually checked around for a few used models in the area. Unfortunately they were all 4wd, or the one 2wd model that had been in a front-end accident. So...I will just wait.
Shelly & The Boys
: Wow! That looks pretty usable. Way more than this: : Not so! You probably have more space ... I had to compromise and this vehicle had the highest interior/exterior space ratio of the ones I was looking at.

I think he probably does. The Element would be my preferred Field-Dawg car, but I also have to be able to haul kids from place to place.

For now, I keep going with a Grand Caravan whose rear seat is replaced by crates and decking and drawers. Someday, I'll probably switch over to a GMC/Chevy Astro van with AWD and some towing capacity.

Kate
and Storm the FCR
These are killer-keeper stories, and exactly the kind I am talking about. Other than traveling and relocating websites, I have ... out there, readily accessible. Oh there's a lot on the nitty gritty planning stages, but what about the memories& stories?

Oh, the time I limped home from Vail to Detroit after a summer of Independence, Dammit, during which I bought a car expressly against may parents' wishes. That Beetle and I went through hell and back together, and I still have a soft spot for it...
...and when we passed a weigh station, I pulled Beetle and all my worldly belongings up and onto the scale (1989 pounds) just for the hell of it, to the great amusement of the operator and this tanker truck driver: A driver who was a true gentleman, with whom I convoyed across Colorado for the rest of the day.
I liked Iowa against all expectations. It was pretty, green, and rolled charmingly.
...and the "Mixmaster" interchange in St. Louis. Ye gods!

Kate
and Storm the FCR
drive into a field for a sheepdog trial and then ... 2wd gets slightly better gas mileage because it weighs less.

Yep, those are exactly the reasons I was thinking of. I actually did get my car stuck last year ... my little car, it just took a couple of nice guys to give me a shove out of the mud.

My Galloping Grape (Dodge Grand Caravan) is going to get stuck someday, I just know it. We had a close call this spring. Between field tests and skiing trips, I'd really like AWD in the next car.

Kate
and Storm the FCR
Some of the highlights of those trips (in no particular order): - eating dinner at a truck stop in South Dakota while watching the most beautiful lightning storm I'd ever seen

There was a great lightning storm while we were in WI. It was sort of funny,
here were all of these dogs howling at the hotel, but our (my roomie's & mine)
dogs were standing at the sliding glass door, staring out, watching it in amazement!
- letting the dogs romp free on the grass at Sunnybank in New Jersey (and if you don't know what Sunnybank is and why it's a doggy shrine of sorts I have to pity your impoverished childhood )

-) Terhune rocks.
- having a chance to meet friends from rpd.* face-to-face

Just wait until September...I'll even work for you!
- winning High In Trial with K.C.

Very Sweet.
- having Patience throw herself into a pond after a duck (she was pretty surprised)

Hehehe...I was glad I don't show Bodhi in Breed after the walk we took w/ friends at the park where they held Tracking. They host hunt tests there...'nuff said.
- getting lost in Montreal (yes, it was funny, OK?)

Worse than getting lost in Anaconda, MT? We were SO tired, stopped at a gas station/mini-mart (they had bloated bags of MARSHMALLOWS on the shelf that had expired in January!) We found a nice older gentleman who was headed back to the
freeway & he said "Follow me". We did, back to his house, duh! (Yes, that's how
tired we were, then he politely pointed us back to the exit!) Hey, it was 1 in the a.m.
- trying to handle Patience in herding with a fierce margarita hangover (yes, I called time on myself pretty quickly )

I think that's why our Rally (yeah, that's right, I said RALLY) entry sucked so badly...the mistakes were MINE, not my dogs. (We'd closed the hotel lounge down the night before...ai yi yi...)
One of the funnier things about those trips was the reaction I tended to get from non-doggy friends: "You're going ... three Briards and an OES with me, for Pete's sake - how could anybody possibly consider that as being alone?

EXACTLY. Dianne, it's too bad we have different breeds! :-) Shelly & The Boys
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