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I'm not sure what breed that would be

The same kind that doesn't shed, doesn't bark, doesn't smell, is potty trained from birth, learns commands without anyone actively training it (possibly by osmosis) and reads your mind to know exactly what you want it to do. HTH! Suja

This all seems rather strange as Reznor is a perfect angel in a crate. He certainly
would not knock down wine glasses or vases with flowers if they were set on top of that crate. The only time he does ever fuss in a crate is when he needs to go potty. He was such a perfect little traveler.
13.5 hours in a road straight with 4 very short breaks is a grand testiment

of how good he can be. And Blade was most excellent as well, as long as we kept him covered with a sheet. The few times we left the sheet off he went back to his old chasing of cars while traveling in the crate. Looks like he will forever be covered with a sheet while traveling.
Gwen
This all seems rather strange as Reznor is a perfect angel in a crate. He certainly would not knock down wine glasses or vases with flowers if they were set on top of that crate.

None of the dogs I know who are crate trained would put up a fuss in the crate. However, I still don't think that a wine glass would survive. Zoe likes to root around - she makes a nest before lying down, and the digging can be rather emphatic. Izzy nearly wags her rear end off when you come to let her out, and her tail bangs against the crate. Khan lies down leaning into the sides, and if he can make our bed move, I'm pretty sure the crate would fare worse.
Suja
This all seems rather strange as Reznor is a perfect ... flowers if they were set on top of that crate.

None of the dogs I know who are crate trained would put up a fuss in the crate.

Basically that was my point. Most dogs I know don't put up a fuss if they are crate trained.
However, I still don't think that a wine glass would survive. Zoe likes to root around

How big is Zoe? What about a chi? A papillion? A pom? Or for that matter even a very well mannered sheltie?
- she makes a nest before lying down, and the digging can be rather emphatic.

Rez will do this on our bed and on the couch but I haven't seen him do this at all in the crate. It definitely doesn't rock around.
Izzy nearly wags her rear end off when you come to let her out, and her tail bangs against the crate. Khan lies down leaning into the sides, and if he can make our bed move, I'm pretty sure the crate would fare worse. Suja

Blade needs a stainless steel crate, more or less. He has pulled off, or partially off, several of the doors to the crates I have. And he is crate trained but he will also throw a fit when you go outside to do lawn work and try to leave him in the crate. I know I coulnd't leave a wine glass on top with Blade inside. Then again I can't really leave a wine glass on top of my coffee table all the time and not expect it to be swept off by Blade's large, wooly tail. And he often knocks over beer and I am nearly positive he does this on purpose to get him some!

Gwen
We recently replaced our LR furniture with a huge* sectional. The store called it a 'theater' somethingorother. Has a recliner on each end, room for four large dogs between DH and I, *and has cup holders in the arms. Two arms fold down out of the back towards the middle of the piece, and they hold bottles, glasses, and mugs. Haven't had a drink spilled since we got it!
Debbie
This all seems rather strange as Reznor is a perfect ... flowers if they were set on top of that crate.

None of the dogs I know who are crate trained would put up a fuss in the crate. However, I ... leaning into the sides, and if he can make our bed move, I'm pretty sure the crate would fare worse.

And even the quietest dogs occasionally get up and change position. Occasionally mine will get up, shake, then lie down facing the other way. My girls are super in their crates and are very experienced travellers we go all over the place, from trials 2 hours away to Nationals at the opposite end of the country. They are quiet and calm but if they stayed in one exact position all the time they would get stiff and sore.
And even the quietest dogs occasionally get up and change position. Occasionally mine will get up, shake, then lie down ... are quiet and calm but if they stayed in one exact position all the time they would get stiff and sore.

True but if the crate is large enough it wouldn't be real likely for a wine glass to come falling down that easily, just from a dog shifting positions or even shaking. Though the possibility is there. With larger dogs though it is hard to obtain a crate that has lots of extra room on either side. With smaller
dogs that is certainly very easy to do. Like placing a papillion in a Vari-kennel 500.
Gwen
The same kind that doesn't shed, doesn't bark, doesn't smell, ... to know exactly what you want it to do. HTH!

You forget it's also the kind that doesn't ever need to go to the vet, doesn't get tired of the kids, and thrives on the cheapest possible dog food.

Ahh. A Gund. Do they make those with little computer chips now?

~~Judy
True but if the crate is large enough it wouldn't be real likely for a wine glass to come falling ... either side. With smaller dogs that is certainly very easy to do. Like placing a papillion in a Vari-kennel 500.

But that defeats the purpose. Dogs like to have the "right" amount of room. Too big and it's too much room for them to feel protected. Besides, if it was too big Cala couldn't sleep on her back with her feet braced against the top.
But that defeats the purpose. Dogs like to have the "right" amount of room. Too big and it's too much room for them to feel protected. Besides, if it was too big Cala couldn't sleep on her back with her feet braced against the top.

LOL, I like that! Reznor does the same. He always sleeps on his back. It is very cute. I get your
drift completely, as you are quite correct, it does defeat the purpose if the crate is too large.
Gwen
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