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Are you sure about the standard transmission bit? Most of the bigger SUVs don't seem to come in any flavor but automagic.

For the most part, although a lot of the medium-sized ones do. But sorry about that - I went from overpriced big-assed SUVs to poor driving skills in them to poor driving skills in general without being clear about that. I was one of the people representing my company at the career fair on Tuesday and Wednesday and since I had to drive to campus during the day, which I normally do extremely rarely (every couple of years or so), I'm no longer numb to the ineptitude you see at the mid-hill traffic lights and the top-of-the-very- steep-hill stop sign.

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Shelly,
Marcel may have been referring to animal control instead of animal cops he just put AC and likened them to failed cops..The rest of the stuff were my words I believe some of those AC people just want to be people with authority. It could be anywhere from the spiffy uniform and badge to jeans and a T-shirt with an official truck..same kind of deal as some security guards..They act like they are chief of police when in fact they have no authority...Once again..some...not all. I suppose I should add both of those jobs are not ones I would care to or be able to do.
Amen on Animal Planet's Animal Cops I cannot watch it either.

Be Free,
Judy
Robin,
Your friend's story about being harassed by Animal Cops at Westminster is a classic example of the point I was trying to make. Do ya really think someone with show dogs needs to be told to let their dog out of the crate. I think I know the AC you mean (from tv). She does see herself as quite a star. I could just see her making an appearance at Westminster.
Ditto on your warning for barking dogs (allegedly). I am sure just like real cops they probably have to come up with so many citations, warnings etc.
Once again I am not speaking of all of them just some cocky ones I have run into.
Be Free,
Judy
I've been surprised to see a few Hummers in Ithaca, since there aren't any dealers, but some of the students bring surprisingly expensive cars.

That was something I've noticed as well. Faculty and staff are driving older model and cheaper cars, and the students are driving BMWs, Mercedes and other fancypants vehicles. There was a write-up in the Post a week or two ago about how much Loudon county has changed, and as part of that, they profiled a bunch of families. One in particular grabbed my attention, because the son, in 11th grade, drove a brand new Mercedes SUV. I don't really care just how much money you make (and they make a tone of it), but IMO, there is nothing that justifies giving a fancy car to a 17 year old.
They also seem to think that if they've got 4WD they don't need to learn how to drive on snow, but that's another matter.

Around here, I see a lot of people think that the laws of Physics don't matter to them because they're driving their 4WDs on the icy roads.

Suja
Mostly based on what I have read in the papers around here and in second hand experiences through my BIL, who is a cop, and his dealings with AC. I didn't mean to tarnish all Animal Control officers with that brush.

Thanks for the clarification.
I was mostly wondering if you meant AC=animal control or AC=Animal Cops (the show on Animal Planet).

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For the most part, although a lot of the medium-sized ones do.

My understanding is that even with medium-sized SUVs, you might have to special order to get a manual transmission. I'm not a new car shopper, so that's not from my own experience.
But sorry about that - I went from overpriced big-assed SUVs to poor driving skills in them to poor driving skills in general without being clear about that.

I wondered, but I'm functioning on almost zero sleep, so I don't trust my brain to know what it's talking about.
I was one of the people representing my company at the career fair on Tuesday and Wednesday and since I had to drive to campus during the day, which I normally do extremely rarely (every couple of years or so),

You are lucky.
I'm no longer numb to the ineptitude you see at the mid-hill traffic lights and the top-of-the-very- steep-hill stop sign.

Student drivers (um, students who drive) are just plain scary. Just in the last week, I've witnessed flying through a flashing red light, not yielding at a flashing red light even though the car did actually stop, making a left-hand turn on a red light at a very busy intersection, and driving down the center turn-only lane. And then there are the gobsmackingly stupid things that pedestrians do. It's a minor miracle that students here don't get killed on a daily basis.

Shelly (Warning: see label for details)
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
My understanding is that even with medium-sized SUVs, you might have to special order to get a manual transmission.

For a number of them automatics come with the bigger engine/fancier doodads, and I guess to get a manual with a bigger engine/fancier doodads you end up having to do a special build. A standard isn't available at all in the US on the Land Crusher, but I find that the automatic is a lot easier to handle in real snow and at this point prefer it. They use the Crusher a lot in the Amazing Race (yay, it's back!) and the ones in Australia and Africa all seem to have standard transmissions.
ObDogRelatedCarRelated: Today is Saber's Got Day so I took him for a long walk all by himself, and we passed an old Mercedes diesel parked along side the road. It had "Veg Powered" stickers on it and Saber thought it smelled pretty darned interesting, although I couldn't smell anything.
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@panix2.panix.com:
Today is Saber's Got Day

Happy Got Day, Saber!

Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Max the Pomeranian
& Rosalie the calico
Happy Got Day, Saber!

Saber says thanks! It's been a long, weird, but ultimately pretty great 5 years.

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