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But part of the equation is whether the person WILL do what it takes to achieve the goal. I noted ... COULD be delivered, but I'm reasonably certain that some percentage of clients wouldn't take the steps to achieve the goal.

I work with Maui on his obedience everyday for short periods of time as well as throughout the day when appropriate. I am trying to find the right training tools to make the time I do use more effective without having to add hours a day for obedience and training.
This training is exactly as advertised - in it's goals. The trainer is the real deal. But remember that any ... can give you consistent high performance only so long as you consistently work to that level with your dog yourself.

I am definately willing to work with Maui but not for hours and hours a day. I will work at it each day though.
Too good to be true? Why? I'm betting they make use of e-collars as a big part of their training, ... do without. Just from your posts here, but your compliance with the homework is crucial to the promise of obedience.[/nq]First of all, can you even use an e-collar on a toy breed dog like Maui (who weighs 7 or so pounds). And yes, you are right, I am not comfortable with e-collars. I am thinking that if I get a real good trainer, I will be able to get the best tools with some hands-on help on how to use those tools and that will be enough. In my previous puppy class, the trainer gave us a "homework sheet" that listed what we needed to work on. I almost always spent the week working on them.

The reason I say almost is because I never baked Maui real liver or used a long lead to tie him out when he went to the bathroom so that I could practice his recall. I have since tried to do that but Maui refused to leave the porch when he is tethered. I am not sure if he doesn't realize he has huge slack and can roam (the rope is over 50 feet long) or what, but he doesn't leave the porch. I have tried going out with him in the yard and he will follow me but not go to the bathroom.

I haven't given up and will continue to work on it. In the house though, he is now at about 90-95% recall with the command "come" and outside he is getting better too so I am really happy about that.
Too good to be true? Why? I'm betting they make ... with the homework is crucial to the promise of obedience.

First of all, can you even use an e-collar on a toy breed dog like Maui (who weighs 7 or so pounds).

Yes, you can.
And yes, you are right, I am not comfortable with e-collars.

And you should be able to accomplish everything you want without one.
I am thinking that if I get a real good trainer, I will be able to get the best tools with some hands-on help on how to use those tools and that will be enough.

Yes.
In my previous puppy class, the trainer gave us a "homework sheet" that listed what we needed to work on. ... 90-95% recall with the command "come" and outside he is getting better too so I am really happy about that.

Here is what I would suggest. See if there is a dog training club in your area. I think you will find there an environment where you can get some mentoring and meet some people who share your view of dogs.

Diane Blackman
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