Hi guys - glad to have found this newsgroup. I have a couple of questions. First - can anyone recommend any kind of turtle that I could have three of in a 55 gallon tank or are turtles generally too big for such a tank? If you can recommend a type or species of turtle what is it? I also need the turtles to be tropical. I have spoken to others elsewhere about this but have come up with zero recommendable turtles. I want to have the tank 3/4's full of water with a center island (dry) and have guppies and/or goldfish for the turtles to munch on or to breed the guppies for the kick of it.

Because of the guppies I will have to heat the aquarium with one or two 250 watt ebo jager heaters (when we don't have the furnace on at our house (at night while sleeping) the house gets very cold - about 49-50 degrees Fahrenheit) and I have a biowheel 60 kit for the fish to breath easy (although from what I have heard about all turtles the fish may suffocate from the turtles' waste products). And finally - what temperature and other conditions do fire-bellied newts like and would they be good substitutions (I am hoping someone can tell me something supportive about the turtles, but options are always great to have)? Thanks, and later!
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where do you live? i am in baltimore, md and my fiance is actually looking to find a new home for his turtles. he has a red ear slider, a painted turtle and a map turtle. they are getting too big for the tank and we would like to give them a new BIGGER home. anyone interested? several yrs ago one turle was almost a foot long and we let him go in a local fresh water pond. cant do that right now though since its so cold and most of the water around here is frozen.
Hi guys - glad to have found this newsgroup. I have a couple of questions. First - can anyone recommend ... generally too big for such a tank? If you can recommend a type or species of turtle what is it?

Look into the mud turtles or the musk turtles.
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/kinosternidaecare.htm

http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/sternotheruscare.htm

griffin
where do you live? i am in baltimore, md and my fiance is actually looking to find a new home ... pond. cant do that right now though since its so cold and most of the water around here is frozen.

There's the rub. Releasing reptiles, amphibians, fish, etc. that have outgrown their keepers is ecological pollution: it may result in establishment of nonnative species and their diseases, both of which can be devastating to native wildlife. It can suck for the released animals, as well (most do not survive). Please don't do it anymore.
You must think about the adult size of an animal BEFORE you buy it. Few people do it. The ones that don't find themselves years later with an animal too big and try to give it away, like you. You neither seem to think very much forward now that you want to set them free. If it was spring and said pond wasn't frozen, you'd put the turtles in there, not minding that the next winter it'll freeze again and the turtles maybe die?

First, it's bad for an animal raised in captivity to be abandoned in the wild. They don't know how to survive on their own and most of them die a slowly death of hunger. Second, it's neither good for the wild populations of the same or similar species. Captive raised animals can transmit diseases they've become i immune to, while the wild animals haven't.

Please adopt your turtles out or buy them a bigger tank. Be a little responsible at least now.
Anna
several yrs ago one turle was almost a foot long and we let him go in a local fresh water pond. cant do that right now though since its so cold and most of the water around here is frozen.

You shouldn't release a turtle unless its native to the area you are releasing it to.
Also its not a good idea to release turtles that have been kept captive, especially if they have been kept with other species that are from other parts of the world. The reason for this is they may pick up diseases and introduce these diseases to the wild population of turtles. Turtles that have no natural immunity from a foreign disease. A good example of this is the desert tortoise, Gophers agassizii. Many people have kept these turtles and when they could no longer care for them, they released them back to the wild. Unfortunately a lot of these tortoises acquired pneumonia whist in captivity and introduced it to the wild population of desert tortoises. Many animals of this wild population have died of this disease.
Kurt Kunze
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New England Herpetological Society - member
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Look into the mud turtles or the musk turtles. http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/kinosternidaecare.htm http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/sternotheruscare.htm

Also want to point out that if a heater is used it must be protected. This can be done by building a protective sheath for the heater using PVC pipe. An apropriate sized piece of this pipe can drilled with vent holes and the heater can be place in side. Also a window can be cut into the pipe so the pilot light can be visible.
Kurt Kunze
IPMS/USA Patriot - President
New England Herpetological Society - member
http://www.neherp.com
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Hi guys - glad to have found this newsgroup. I ... recommend a type or species of turtle what is it?

Look into the mud turtles or the musk turtles. http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/kinosternidaecare.htm http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/sternotheruscare.htm griffin

Thanks for the tip. So far it appears to be mud turtles as the turtles of choice for my tank. Thanks again for the information, it looks like the species of turtle of mud turtle I will get is easily small enough for my tank. Anyone know where I could get three of the smallest species? Also - I might be able to work with my local pet shop or through the mail with www.thatpetplace.com (soon) to get this exact species.
Thanks Kurt for the helpful tip on protecting the turtles from the heater with a pvc pipe. It should be a good project for me to work on by drilling holes in the pvc pipe (although abs is supposedly totally safe for animals and humans whereas I've heard pvc can leech out into the environment and eventually be consumed) and I plan on getting the pipe from the local hardware store. Thanks again Kurt. Later all!
Thanks for the tip. So far it appears to be mud turtles as the turtles of choice for my tank. ... able to work with my local pet shop or through the mail with www.thatpetplace.com (soon) to get this exact species.

I have a Mississippi Mud turtle, Skilpad (Afrikaans for "turtle"), who is quite a character. There is a couple who live near New Orleans, LA who raise several species of turtles and tortoises. They don't have a website, but their contact info is:
Shell Shack
Troy and Christy Charles
504-231-6695
504-276-3312
I got their business card last year at the Northshore Reptile Show in Louisiana. I they had quite a few babies. I am know they had some mud & musk turtles, but I don't remember which species. They wouldn't be more than $15 to $20.
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