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Really? Where do croc monitors fall on your list? I ... to do harm would put them up there pretty high.

Croc monitors have a bunch of bad hype, but from what I haveheard they have a reasonably calm temperment (i.e., they are notspastic and can learn to trust people)(cut)

Wow, thanks for a long informative reply.
I read a bit about crocs on varanus.nl recently, and an experienced keeper told that they have a very special temperement, they will sometimes bite extremely fast with absolutely no warning first. Sounds quite scary to me, with that size.

Ulrik Smed,
Denmark, Aarhus
They rank as the second least suitable monitor for people to keep as pets in my estimate (second only to Komodo monitors, because of the immense size and expensive dietary and housing requirements of the Komodos and their known ability to kill adult humans).

AFAIK, komodos are not available in the pet trade, at least not here in the US. The only place you'll see a komodo here is in a zoo.

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Huh? Are we talking about the same animal? V. salvadorii? The longest lizard in the world? Now, I will definitely ... their ginormous tails, but body length appears to be longer to me too. Are the others that you mention bulkier?

The "longest lizard" title is one that is often given to crocs, but there seems to be little evidence to support it. The longest reliable records put them at a maximum length of about 8 feet. This means that Komodos and salvators get longer, and lace monitors and perenties get about the same size. I've seen a few large croc monitors, and none was exceptionally large for a large monitor - about as bulky as some blackthroats and ornates I've seen, a bit bigger than a large male argus, and nowhere near the bulk of a salvator.
As for temperament - I've known 3 Croc monitors that I worked pretty closely with and I wouldn't turn my ... friend who had to get several stitches after walking past one of our females and not paying attention to her.

As I said, I've never actually worked with this species, all I know is what other keepers have told me. Everything I heard first-hand is that they are a bit shy, cautious eaters, and not overly agressive. If all your friend got is stiches, it is not so bad as other people have suffered from other large monitors with better reputations.
IME you're right about the pre-killed food though. Our Bengal Monitors (V. bengalensis) were perfect little demons when it came to feeding time, whereas the Crocs you almost had to hit on the head with the rats to get them to daintily take a bite.

Ahh, Bengals. Another of those species I'd love to work with some time. Pity they're CITES I.
Interesting thing about our Bengals - the one WC male was always smaller than the CB males and had a ... of the 4 CB males were mostly just indifferent unless I had food. The 2 CB females were the same.[/nq]I've noticed arguses, too, can have quite different temperments. The stereotype for the species is that they are squirmy, put on a big threat display when approached, but are reluctant to bite when handled. This is a reasonable general description, but the variance is interesting. I've had males that would challenge me whenever I got in their enclosure. I had one adolescent male that would occasionally lunge and bite without warning - very dangerous, since enough time would go by between attacks that you would let your guard down.

One of my females actually seemed to like me, but she hated my girlfriend (now wife) and would chase her around the house, "tree" her on the couch, and so on. One male was usually easy to work with, unless he felt challenged or uncomfortable or nervous, and then he'd procede to show you who was boss, and he never gave up, never backed down, and became a biting, wrestling, scratching monster. I have yet to come across an argus that is actually comfortable being closely approached or picked up by humans, though.
It was also pretty obvious that there was an established pecking order for the males in the group.

Yeah. Monitors have definite social hierarchies and even pair interactions that transcend simple hierarchical structures. One of my females seemed to "love" (for lack of a better word) one of my males, but "hated" another male, even though the other male was dominant. She would actually attack the second male, and once even engaged him in the ritual "lizard judo" bipedal wrestling that monitors have. She lost, of sourse, since at a slender 3 kg she simply had nowhere near the muscle that a bulky 10+ kg male has.

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AFAIK, komodos are not available in the pet trade, at least not here in the US. The only place you'll see a komodo here is in a zoo.

Komodos are not legally available anywhere. They are all considered the property of the government of Indonesia, with the exceptions of a few specimens that were given as gifts of state to other governments. While it is technically possible that the captive offspring of these "gift" Komodos can legally work their way into private hands, I doubt that any zoo would consider such a transaction.
There are supposedly smuggled Komodo monitors available, for astronomical prices. At least, this has been reported by the news media in rather sensational stories about the connections of organized crime to the exotic pet trade (real life organized crime, not the iguana mafia type stuff we joke about here on RPH). I can't say as I ever heard of anyone having one of these illegal Komodos, though.


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Komodos are not legally available anywhere. They are allconsidered the property of the government of Indonesia, with theexceptions of a ... joke about here on RPH). Ican't say as I ever heard of anyone having one of these illegalKomodos, though. Luke

Some months ago, I saw captive hatched komodos for sale on repti.net. AFAIR from Agama International in Sweden.

Ulrik Smed,
Denmark, Aarhus
Its sad that so many might get euthanized, but its probably best for those with MBD, nasty attitudes, etc. Emotion: sad -cat

What about those whose nasty attitudes can be reserved? Some ig attitudes are caused by illness. Someone on one of ig lists on Yapoo groups said their iguana had always tested negative for worms at 100X on the microscope. The ig had a bit was a bit of a *** apparently and when she was 4yrs old her fecal sample was tested at 400X on the microscope. Turned out she had a heavy parasite load that had been undectable at a lower magnification and the vet said she probably had the worms for quite some time. The owner thinks the ig's attitude was because she was feeling under the weather because of the worms.
Some igs are nasty b/c they can see the "other iguana" looking back at them from the glass of their tanks and are not happy about the intruder in their territory.
Their tanks may be too small.
Male igs could simply be in breeding season and should be provided with a love sock (preferably green)
Some male igs remain nasty outside of breeding season, in some cases neutering him reduces his aggression levels
I've even heard that prozac can be prescribed for aggressive male igs, what's the world coming to?
I realize everyone has to start somewhere,

Everyone has to start somewhere. The problem is, most people get an iguana, and then just don't start at all.