More than 1/2 done now. 29 gallon aquarium, viquarium river insert, leca balls bottom layer, nylon netting seperator, large stone aquarium gravel, nylon netting seperator... still needs dirt and plants and background decor.

Got the pump running (what a cute river!) and the ultrasonic humidifier/fogger in the pool. Still need to build a graduated step down into the pool and mount proper digital thermometers/hygrometer. Still need to buy the UVB light bulb and a small Duetto filter for the pool.

It's taken me 3 years to get this far! Progress!
Once it stabilizes and everything is in place I'll measure heat and humidity and based on those, decide on either Dendrobates or Mantellas... some kind of adorable tiny frog.
YAY ME!
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Got the pump running (what a cute river!) and the ultrasonic humidifier/fogger in the pool. Still need to build a ... mount proper digital thermometers/hygrometer. Still need to buy the UVB light bulb and a small Duetto filter for the pool.

I was wondering how deep you made your pool? I am in the middle of building a vivarium too (and its also a multi-year project) with the intentions of putting dendrobates in it as well. My original set-up was going to include a recirculating pool/river side, ~6 inches deep in the pool with a gradually sloping edge, but after talking to some folks about the dangers of dendrobates being less-than-perfect-swimmers and drowning in their pool, I decided against it Emotion: sad
griffin
More than 1/2 done now. 29 gallon aquarium, viquarium river insert, leca balls bottom layer, nylon netting seperator, large stone aquarium gravel, nylon netting seperator... still needs dirt and plants and background decor.

Yay you is right! Sounds like it's gonna be fantastic. Have you been taking pics of your work in progress? Would be interesting to see.
One thing though - I'd ditch the dirt. I've found that most plants do quite well when bare-rooted into the gravel the tank stays much cleaner, and there's no hassle with trying to find the right kind of soil (although, I guess you have the Jenn connection for nice dirt).
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Got the pump running (what a cute river!) and the ... light bulb and a small Duetto filter for the pool.

I was wondering how deep you made your pool? I am in the middle of building a vivarium too (and ... some folks about the dangers of dendrobates being less-than-perfect-swimmers and drowning in their pool, I decided against it Emotion: sad griffin

Darts can swim just fine. As long as there's several ways out of the pool there's no danger of drowning provided you have animals that don't fight. It's only when they wrestle and one has the chance of pinning another underwater that you have to worry about drowning. Also, if the combatants fall into deep water, they'll separate and swim for shore. Where there isn't any agression, you don't have to worry. Leucs, terribillis, and thumbnails in general you don't have to worry about. It's really only tincs and azureus that fight, and only if there's two adult females in the viv, since they're the ones that fight. The males get along just fine.

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More than 1/2 done now. 29 gallon aquarium, viquarium river ... netting seperator... still needs dirt and plants and background decor.

Yay you is right! Sounds like it's gonna be fantastic. Have you been taking pics of your work in progress? Would be interesting to see.

I wish! See below. Maybe I'll be able to soon.
One thing though - I'd ditch the dirt. I've found that most plants do quite well when bare-rooted into the ... with trying to find the right kind of soil (although, I guess you have the Jenn connection for nice dirt).

Jenn and I both work for the dirt connection (very soft peat and sand mix) - and I have already cashed in credit to obtain 5 bags of it (more than what I need). It's called bug dirt. I'm using it with all my tarantulas, my ornate horned frog, and my new pyxie frog right now. I'm considering some nice sheeting tight-nap floor moss to cover all the "landing pad" of exposed dirt to keep the water clean... but I definately want LAND.
You are required to show pictures when this process is finally complete.

No camera. Mine is toast. I did borrow one for my Boston trip, then when I got home I dropped it and damaged it. I may be buying that one. :-P

I will take your advice and try planting some bare-roots plants in my Rana grylio tank - she has half gravel with some hides in there but some hearty plants would sure make it look nice. She'll probably just sit all over them. She's nuts... so nuts... so agressive... I love cleaning her cage, doing a water change she'll leap right on my arm with mouth open, then bounce off the lid (which I have to keep strategically placed) 3-4 times before settling down. She's eating about 5 large goldfish a day right now - REALLY plumping up. She likes them more than all other food options... though I make her settle for crickets sometimes, too.
I've been able to clean up her nose, put some weight on her, and get her eating regularly... but not settle her down any! A pic of her from the day I brought her home, 6 months ago...
I'll work on updated pics.
fr0glet
Got the pump running (what a cute river!) and the ... light bulb and a small Duetto filter for the pool.

I was wondering how deep you made your pool? I am in the middle of building a vivarium too (and its also a multi-year project) with the intentions of putting dendrobates in it as well.

I remember us talking about this ages ago griffin! Reading your post made me smile. Emotion: smile
My original set-up was going to include a recirculating pool/river side, ~6 inches deep in the pool with a gradually sloping edge,

That is pretty close to my plan. The pool is just over 4" deep at the moment. Ideal water depth for this setup has yet to be determined! I intend to build a nice "steps" area down into the pool, with only about 2" total pool at 4"-5" deep. The rest will be gradually shallower. I have these slabs of rock I've used in many aquariums over the years... too bad I've forgotten most of my geological teachings or I'd know if they're shale or not. Anyway, they make perfect steps. :-)
but after talking to some folks about the dangers of dendrobates being less-than-perfect-swimmers and drowning in their pool, I decided against it Emotion: sad

I have seen them swimming in zoo setups. Nevertheless, I figure if little kids can hang out on the steps in water, so can frogs. Thanks to the river insert holding back the ln, removing the steps for cleaning will be easy. I use a slab like that to create the "shallow end" in my Xenopus laevis' tank... but cleaning it means a gravel avalance. :-(

I left the water side with no substrate... as I have my pig frog's cage... can't see any reason to use gravel in the water unless I need to shallow it up, and it will just hold the yuckies. I'll have excellent beneficial bacterial growth on my leca balls, so no need to use gravel to hold the crap in!
fr0glet
Thank you! That is good information to have. I guess I am just overly cautious and paranoid about having one of them drown. Plus, all the habitats that I have seen for darts have only had very shallow pools of water (1-2 inches). I would hate for one of my little frogs to drown, especially $60 frogs!

My species of choice is D. tinctorius. I didn't realize it was the females (heh; those bitches) and not the males that were the fighters (or if I did, I forgot). Why would the females fight? Territory? Best egg laying spots?

I saw some D. azureus and some auratas at the National Zoo last week. Such cute little buggers!
griffin
I have seen them swimming in zoo setups. Nevertheless, I figure if little kids can hang out on the steps ... excellent beneficial bacterial growth on my leca balls, so no need to use gravel to hold the crap in! fr0glet

I bought a duetto filter for my pool, too. But, it has now been put to other uses; other critters...haha, funny how that happens. Now where do you have your leca balls set up at? I am having trouble visualizing where/how your water contacts them. Does your duetto push water through them in a separate container as a second filtration step? I was thinking about putting in one of those waterfall foggers in a corner of my viv, plus having another area with a 1-2 inch pool. But now I think it might be easier to make the pool deeper and buy another duetto filter to put in it. hmm.
griffin
Now where do you have your leca balls set up at? I am having trouble visualizing where/how your water contacts them.

OK, here is an old picture of the tank and viquarium insert I am using for this project. Taken March 2003, that's when I started buying supplies for this project. Emotion: smile
http://www.fr0glet.org/pix/pets/viquarium project 001.JPG

The left side will be all land. The leca balls are the first layer of land in there (I bought them from Black Jungle Supply), about 2" deep... then about 2-3" of gravel. Inside the front left corner is a water pump that sucks water from the pool on the right through all the leca balls/gravel on the left and pumps it up the waterfall, which runs down the river. So it is /kind of/ working like an undergravel filter. I have yet to buy a new Duetto.
those waterfall foggers in a corner of my viv,

I have a Python fogger IN the pool, but I need to determine how to make that inaccessible to the frogs. The ultrasonic foggers put out a bit of electric shock right above them, enough to make it uncomfy for my fingers so I don't want the frogs touching it and freaking out or getting hurt. I may just place it behind some cork bark or something, not sure yet.

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