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Well Phil perhaps its a mix of a few things..one of them human related I admit but I don't want to mess with the cans and smell and mess of dealing with canned food..but also I am convinced that the dry food is best for them. I have no quarrel with those that want to use canned food I just prefer not to, also my breeder says his cats have much better and less odorous stools with dry food. I think alot of you guys use canned foods because your cat seems to love it and its maybe more of a treat to give them the canned food which makes you feel better being good to your cat which certainly is good for you and your cat.
Pepsi, in looking at the first post that I have I can't determine how feeding was done, I right or wrong determined that the morning feeding was from an empty bowl but I may be wrong.
Brad
LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!"
Well Phil perhaps its a mix of a few things..one of them human related I admit but I don't want to mess with the cans and smell and mess of dealing with canned food..

Actually, your cats' health should take precedence over your convenience.
but also I am convinced that the
dry food is best for them.

That's hardy the case. In fact, its the complete opposite. Here's why:

http://maxshouse.com/feline nutrition.htm#Dry Food vs Canned Food. Which is reall
Btw, take a look a your cats' teeth. Do you see any first premolars or lower first or second premolars or broad and fisured crowns for grinding? No, right? Their teeth are pointed - designed for tearing and cutting - not mastication.
Also, gently try to move your cats' jaws laterally or in a rotary motion. Can't do it, can you? Do you know why? Cats don't masticate! They can't because their jaw hinge (condyloid process) is shaped like a bar - like a door hinge - and only moves up and down (for holding struggling prey and cutting) http://maxshouse.com/anatomy/Dentary/Mandible-right-medial view.jpg

So unless the dry food nuggets are very large - large enough for the teeth to sink all the way down to the gum line - and don't shatter when the cat bites into them, what good is dry food?
I have no quarrel with those that want to
use canned food I just prefer not to,

Its not as simple as that. Your cats' health should take precedence over your convenience.
also my breeder says his cats
have much better and less odorous stools with dry food.

Most breeders are hardly credible sources of information - look how much damage their "wisdom" has caused for many breeds - especially the brachycephalic breeds and the Siamese! Most breeders know even less about feline nutrition than they do about breeding!
The cost of those 'better' stools is less water in the urine and lower urine volume - which increases the concentration of solutes in the urine >> which increases the risk of urinary tract obstructions in male cats. Most of the water dry-fed cats drink is lost to fecal moisture. So, even though they drink about 6x more water than cats fed canned food, they have a lower* total water intake and turnover and *lower urine volume. This isn't opinion - this is fact backed up by peer-reviewed controlled clinical studies.
Dry food also exacerbates interstitial cystitis and diabetes in cats that are predisposed to it.
I think alot of
you guys use canned foods because your cat seems to love it and its maybe more of a treat to give them the canned food which makes you feel better being good to your cat which certainly is good for you and your cat.

You couldn't be more wrong! Most of us feed our cats canned food because its healthier for our cats. Canned food is more is expensive, takes more effort, and is just a general pain in ass to deal with it - but its better* and *healthier for our cats - which takes precedence over our convenience. Don't you think we would love to just fill up a feeder once a week and forget about it instead of worrying about rushing home to feed our cats on time? The inconvenience and effort are offset by the satisfaction and confidence that we are doing the best thing for our feline friends - who enrich our lives so much. I think you might want to reevaluate your priorities.
As the owner of a male cat, you should be particularily concerned about feeding dry food. Male cats are very susceptible to urinary tract obstructions because their urethra narrows - like a funnel - where it passes over the pelvis - which can easily become blocked by small crystals and debris and lead to oliguric acute renal failure and death. Females cats aren't susceptible to UTOs because they have a wider and somewhat straight urethra.
You seem like a caring owner whose just been misled and misinformed. I really think you'll change your mind if you really think about it.

Phil
Well Phil perhaps its a mix of a few things..one of them human related I admit but I don't want ... I right or wrong determined that the morning feeding was from an empty bowl but I may be wrong. Brad

He said, "(although I leave kitten chow available to him 24/7)." so I knew the cat, like mine used to, has unlimitted dry.

As for canned, I grew up with dogs and knew that dry was essential for the animal's health. When I acquired my cat, I thought the same was true for him. I was surprised when my vet told me cats do fine on an all canned food diet, and that was confirmed just yesterday when I saw a vet on tv say the same thing.
I agree with you that canned food does have an odorous effect on their waste. But since canned food passes through their systems faster than dry, for a cat that has trouble passing dry food, such as the original poster's cat, that seems more of a solution than a problem.

I have boarded my cat and was told he was only given Science Diet dry the entire week he was there. He did just fine, so I've come to the conclusion that as long as it's a food designed for cats, it won't harm them, unless they have other problems. I do stay away from cheap store brand foods, though, as they give my cat bloody diarhea.

pepsi
Well Phil perhaps its a mix of a few things..one ... from an empty bowl but I may be wrong. Brad

He said, "(although I leave kitten chow available to him 24/7)." so I knew the cat, like mine used to, ... has trouble passing dry food, such as the original poster's cat, that seems more of a solution than a problem.

High quality canned food will not make stinkier poo.
I have boarded my cat and was told he was only given Science Diet dry the entire week he was ... other problems. I do stay away from cheap store brand foods, though, as they give my cat bloody diarhea. pepsi

You would be wrong particularly on the part of boy cats that are susceptible to becoming blocked by crystals. BUtyou can google and read all the flame wars over this.
Well Phil the first thing you should learn here is that you can have an opinion without telling the other people they are wrong. Why did you feel the need to say that you are right and I am wrong. If you want to make a contest about it I can write paragraphs that will tell you why dry food is best. Be careful not to get caught up in the marketing of the people who promote each type of food. Each one can make good sound arguments for their types of foods.

And as far as your comment about my cats health taking taking precendent over my convenience...go screw yourself..you saw that I said I was convinced dry was better and was honest about why I don't want to use canned. Matter of fact I said use what you want I was polite and you were an ass. I shouldn't take the word of a breeder I researched and I should take your word, someone out here looking for a flame?
Your holier than though attitude sucks..rushing home to feed your cat because you love your cat more than I do huh..tell you what..don't respond to my posts and I won't respond to yours I wouldn't want to accidentally knock you off your pedestal.

Brad
LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!"
Well Phil the first thing you should learn here is that you can have an opinion without telling the other people they are wrong. Why did you feel the need to say that you are right and I am wrong.

Maybe because I am and you were and I was trying to enlighten you for your cats' benefit.
If you want to
make a contest about it I can write paragraphs that will tell you why dry food is best.

I've already done extensive research backed up by controlled, clinical studies that were published in peer-reviewed veterinary journals about the benefits of canned food and serious disadvantages of dry food that trumps anything you could possible come up with.
Before you type anymore foolish nonsense, read it first and save yourself a lot of embarrassment:
http://www.maxshouse.com/feline nutrition.htm#Dry Food vs Canned Food. Which is reall
Be careful not to get caught up in the marketing of
the people who promote each type of food. Each one can make good sound arguments for their types of foods.

The only argument one could make about dry food is convenience and cost - and maybe the fact it doesn't freeze (I'm forced to feed dry food to my feral colonies in the winter)
And as far as your comment about my
cats health taking taking precendent over my convenience...go screw yourself..

Gee, if I knew the truth would hurt so much, I would have said it anyway.
you saw that I said I was convinced dry was better and was
honest about why I don't want to use canned.

Yeah, your reasons for why you don't want to feed canned food were really moving.
Matter of fact I said use
what you want I was polite and you were an ass.

Gee, and here I thought I gave you a pretty good education about canned vs. dry.
I shouldn't take the
word of a breeder I researched and I should take your word, someone out here looking for a flame?

Absolutely not! You should never take the word of a breeder on face value.
Your holier than though attitude sucks..

Ah ah ah - you're confusing aplomb with arrogance.
.rushing home to feed your
cat because you love your cat more than I do huh..

Isn't it true? Or do you mean to tell me that you love my cats more than I do?

"Don't you think we would love to just fill up a feeder once a week and forget about it instead of worrying about rushing home to feed our cats on time? The inconvenience and effort are offset by the satisfaction and confidence that we are doing the best thing for our feline friends - who enrich our lives so much. I think you might want to reevaluate your priorities."
Nope! Nothing in there about who loves whose cats more.
tell you
what..don't respond to my posts

No can do. I feel obliged to the feline species to correct erroneous information whenever and wherever I see it. Look at the up side - you just might learn something...
Well Phil perhaps its a mix of a few things..one of them human related I admit but I don't want ... they have a wider and somewha straight urethra. You seem like a caring owner whose just been misled and misinformed.[/nq] > I
really think you'll change your mind if you really think about it. Phil

Phil,
Just picked up this thread today. Very informative. I also believe: A. You get what you pay for.
B. Feed them what they like - they know what they need.

Thanks for the info.
CC ccpouncer
Well Phil perhaps its a mix of a few things..one ... cans and smell and mess of dealing with canned food..

Actually, your cats' health should take precedence over your convenience.

Mine does and I do not see my cats as being healthy when they cry in pain because the canned food is too wet. Thus causing diarrhea. Which in turn is backed up by gas I can here them pass from across the room. You know that wet sound that we all make when our stomach lets us know we ate something we should not have.
Don't forget the buildup on there teeth. Canned cat food leaves residue, yeah and some would and should advise what to do about that. Wingtips and other things. My cats won't touch raw meat. They like their dry and the occasional canned.
but also I am convinced that the

dry food is best for them.

That's hardy the case. In fact, its the complete opposite. Here's why:

http://maxshouse.com/feline nutrition.htm#Dry Food vs Canned Food. Which is reall
Btw, take a look a your cats' teeth. Do you see any first premolars or lower first or second premolars or broad and fisured crowns for grinding? No, right? Their teeth are pointed - designed for tearing and cutting -not mastication.

"Max's House is produced in the interest of improving the health of cats everywhere. While every attempt has been made to assure the accuracy and completeness of the information contained herein, Max's House cannot guarantee the accuracy of the original sources of information. Max's House's cannot serve as a substitute for regular professional veterinary care and is provided for reference only and not for treatment of any kind . Max's House cannot be responsible for the diagnosis and treatment of individual cats. We are confident that you will find Max's House's to be an outstanding and informative addition to your cat's health care program."
Also, gently try to move your cats' jaws laterally or in a rotary motion. Can't do it, can you? Do ... down to the gum line - and don't shatter when the cat bites into them, what good is dry food?

"Max's House is produced in the interest of improving the health of cats everywhere. While every attempt has been made to assure the accuracy and completeness of the information contained herein, Max's House cannot guarantee the accuracy of the original sources of information. Max's House's cannot serve as a substitute for regular professional veterinary care and is provided for reference only and not for treatment of any kind . Max's House cannot be responsible for the diagnosis and treatment of individual cats. We are confident that you will find Max's House's to be an outstanding and informative addition to your cat's health care program."

Nuff said.
I have no quarrel with those that want to

use canned food I just prefer not to,

Its not as simple as that. Your cats' health should take precedence over your convenience.

What she or he said is that simple. Again pet care is not an exact science. You can fight all day about what is better for the cat but I'll say this much God didn't serve it in a can anymore than he served it in a bag.
also my breeder says his cats

have much better and less odorous stools with dry food.

Most breeders are hardly credible sources of information - look how much damage their "wisdom" has caused for many breeds ... by peer-reviewed controlled clinical studies. Dry food also exacerbates interstitial cystitis and diabetes in cats that are predisposed to it.

Yes and bones get lodged in cats throats. I don't see your point here. Predisposed will carry any way and anywere.
I think alot of

you guys use canned foods because your cat seems to ... cat which certainly is good for you and your cat.

You couldn't be more wrong! Most of us feed our cats canned food because its healthier for our cats. Canned ... for our feline friends - who enrich our lives so much. I think you might want to reevaluate your priorities.
Umm..I feed canned as a treat and it's not more expensive if you buy it right and not any more messy to me than dry. I have learned through experience with the vet that canned is not as good as you claim. It's got less of everything and more fat. It sticks to there teeth that requires extra time at the vets to remove and that hurts a cats heart. It causes stomach problems, gas, diarrhea and a number of other health concerns.

Don't forget that it is not a challenge for the cats stomach to digest. Cats use to eat animals, hair, skin, insides (including grain) nails and all. Canned is not stringy like meat so it doesn't offer their jaw exercise or the use of their teeth that need to be used or they get loose in the jaw and fall out.
As the owner of a male cat, you should be particularily concerned about feeding dry food. Male cats are very ... whose just been misled and misinformed. I really think you'll change your mind if you really think about it. Phil

Female cats aren't susceptible to UTI's or UTO's that's not true, not true at all. The words you are looking for is less likely. All cats can get a UTI and or UTO. I think you are just as misinformed. I'm not stating I know everything nor all the answers. But I have to work very closely with my vet for all three of my cats. I have one male who is a UTI time bomb. I have 2 females 1 has a heart murmur and the other nurological problems. So I would say, me and the vets have had some long talks.
Putting soapbox away.
Shadow Walker
Actually, your cats' health should take precedence over your convenience.

Mine does and I do not see my cats as being healthy when they cry in pain because the canned food is too wet. Thus causing diarrhea.

You could do what I do, since Hodge has the same problem (constipation from dry, diarrhea from wet) feed wet one meal and dry one meal a day. He looks great, he got a clean bill of health a couple weeks ago, and he seems to be doing well on this diet.

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