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Its often difficult to change textures because a cat's texture preference is very strongly influenced by the type of food ... or help to feed canned food so most cats develop a strong - and sometimes immovable preference for dry food.

When I adopted Simon from the Humane Society two years ago they sent him home with a sample of IAMS, which was what he was being fed there, and coupons for more.
Once I got him home, he refused to eat the IAMS but dug right into the Fancy Feast and some Purina One Kitten chow I bought him. Last year, I tried some of the pouch food when it was on sale and now he just wants that, as long as it's the chunky kind. He won't eat the ground up kind at all, although he used to. And it has to come from a pouch, with exceptions made for Duck with Wild Rice and Chicken Cacciatore which only come canned and are two of his favorites.
Fortunately my other cat, Peaches, was always in multi-cat situations and learned early to eat whatever shows up in her bowl as soon as it shows up.
Phil's actually very knowlegable about cat health and behavior.While you ... to mental ability, or instability, or just plain looniness. Emotion: wink

Whoa Lynn! I just didn't like his attitude about canned food beingtoo much trouble for him. He gave the impression that he's a selfish, lazyasshole.

Perhaps, but hitting him with the facts will certainly do more to educate him than calling him a "lazy, selfish ***." He may be a lazy, selfish *** but calling him one doesn't help his cats.

We've actually had this argument before..when you emailed me a few years ago and told me I was turning off people by referring to SLK as "Shithead", LOL...C'est la vie!
-L.
(getting out the Internet crucifix...beating Sherry to it...)
I agree with you there. My cats really are picky about their food and all three are special needs cats. Canned is not on their agenda. I give it as a treat to help any hair balls through and to give them a little something special. Most of the time they leave the canned to start drying out and I have to throw it away.
Shadowen Walker
I won't waste my time commenting on all your other ignorant, misinformed/uninformed and erroneous nonsense. I'll simply point out that ... such as how to compare nutrient values between cannedand dry food - which seriously discounts you and your vet's credibility.

What ever, my vet is not just one vet but three in a boulding called a vet clinic. You know were they treat healthy and sick animals. Who have licenses in animal health.
I have learned through

http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/dm.html
http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html
food.htm http://www.felinecrf.org/dry food.htm
Yes I checked it out. Still not going to change my experiences with canned cat food.
Feline nutrition 101: Canned food contains more* protein and other nutrients and usually *less* fat than equal quality dry food. Btw, cats utilize fat *better than carbohydrates. The carbohydrates in dry foodare what makes cats fat - not the fat content of the food.

Yes I know cats utilize fat better then carbohydrates. It still doesn't change the fact that cats who do not due well on canned cat food will have runny, loose and mucus in their stool from too much fat. I would rather feed a raw diet than canned.
Since my cats would rather starve then eat raw, canned or anything, I stay with a good dry.
For my cats and I state my cats, dry food is what they thrive on and that is my experience with cats.(That's only ten years of having cats, kittens and farrels.)
I also state that with the things I have experienced with my cats, dry food is healthier for their teeth than canned, more agreeable to their stomachs and what they prefer.
That's enough for now, I don't think you could absorb much more than thatat one time.

You don't want to absorb the fact that some cats do just fine on dry food and are healthy, happy and thriving on dry food. All commercial cat food is bad. It all lacks in something. I try to help mine by providing extra vitamins and minerals just incase they miss something in their food. I also have plenty of water containers and bowls for them to have water at all times. I give canned as a treat and they pick out parts of it and leave the rest to dry out. So it's thrown away. I don't see the use in giving something they won't eat, and don't like.
Shadow Walker
Whatever Phil. I don't just sit around and depend on one source for information.

http://maxshouse.com/feline nutrition.htm#Dry Food vs Canned Food. Which is reall
Yes I checked it out. Still not going to change my experiences with canned cat food.

Yes I know cats utilize fat better then carbohydrates. It still doesn't change the fact that cats who do not ... my cats, dry food is healthier for their teeth than canned, more agreeable to their stomachs and what they prefer.

You don't want to absorb the fact that some cats do just fine on dry food and are healthy, happy ... So it's thrown away. I don't see the use in giving something they won't eat, and don't like. Shadow Walker

I'm not trying to argue or change you mind, Shadow. As I wrote earlier, I fed mine premium dry food all their lives and they did just fine on it and I didn't change until *my* vet advised I feed my 15-year-old canned in order to help lower her creatinine and BUN levels.
Like you I am leery about taking someone's word over my own vet's. Every previous vet I've ever had and the rescue organizations I work with had advised the same brand of dry, so I tended to believe them over anonymous posters on usenet.
Like you, I think that all the links to pages I have been previously shown regarding this issue were possibly put up by someone with their own agenda to further (and being a web architect, I know how easy it is for just anybody* to put up a web page and try to sound as qualified as someone who's gone through years of college to learn about what they're teaching). Just because it's on a web page *sure doesn't mean it's true.

Skepticism is essential these days, especially when we're talking about something as precious as the health of our furry babies, as I'm sure everyone here will agree.
Having said all that, I'd like to guide you to the Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine's page or feeding recommendations for cats. I think you'll find it gives very balanced and good information.

http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/resources/brochure/feedcats.html

The author's credentials are on the bottom of the page. I hope that helps you out.
Hugs,
CatNipped
This post was directed to Phil. I'm sorry if it posted to the wrong place.

Thank you for the link
Shadow Walker
I won't waste my time commenting on all your other ignorant, misinformed/uninformed and erroneous nonsense. I'll simply point out that ... such as how to compare nutrient values between cannedand dry food - which seriously discounts you and your vet's credibility.

What ever, my vet is not just one vet but three in a boulding called a vet clinic. You know were they treat healthy and sick animals. Who have licenses in animal health.
I have learned through

http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/dm.html
http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html
food.htm http://www.felinecrf.org/dry food.htm
Yes I checked it out. Still not going to change my experiences with canned cat food.
Feline nutrition 101: Canned food contains more* protein and other nutrients and usually *less* fat than equal quality dry food. Btw, cats utilize fat *better than carbohydrates. The carbohydrates in dry foodare what makes cats fat - not the fat content of the food.

Yes I know cats utilize fat better then carbohydrates. It still doesn't change the fact that cats who do not due well on canned cat food will have runny, loose and mucus in their stool from too much fat. I would rather feed a raw diet than canned.
Since my cats would rather starve then eat raw, canned or anything, I stay with a good dry.
For my cats and I state my cats, dry food is what they thrive on and that is my experience with cats.(That's only ten years of having cats, kittens and farrels.)
I also state that with the things I have experienced with my cats, dry food is healthier for their teeth than canned, more agreeable to their stomachs and what they prefer.
That's enough for now, I don't think you could absorb much more than thatat one time.

You don't want to absorb the fact that some cats do just fine on dry food and are healthy, happy and thriving on dry food. All commercial cat food is bad. It all lacks in something. I try to help mine by providing extra vitamins and minerals just incase they miss something in their food. I also have plenty of water containers and bowls for them to have water at all times. I give canned as a treat and they pick out parts of it and leave the rest to dry out. So it's thrown away. I don't see the use in giving something they won't eat, and don't like.
Shadow Walker
This post was directed to Phil. I'm sorry if it posted to the wrong place. Thank you for the link Shadow Walker

Sorry I didn't mean to confuse. I know it was directed at Phil, I was just responding to the skepticism you were posting because I've felt the same way and would have appreciated a credible link to information back then.

Hugs,
CatNipped
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