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What ever, my vet is not just one vet but three in a boulding called a vet clinic. You know were they treat healthy and sick animals. Who havelicenses in animal health.

What a coincidence! In my shelter rescue and feral work, I work with several vets who have the same type of set up as yours and my personal vet is a double-boarded retired vet professor who taught vets for over 30 years.
I have learned through got Do you understand the concept of "dry matter basis"? I suggest youlearn

so

you don't continue to make an utter fool of yourself. After you learn, explain it to your vet! LOL!

http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/dm.html http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html food.htm http://www.felinecrf.org/dry food.htm Yes I checked it out. Still not going to change my experiences with canned cat food.

I can't and wasn't trying to change your experiences -I'm just trying to enlighten you about the superiority of canned food for your cats' sake.

Many canned foods contain less fat than dry foods and use a higher quality fat - the fat in dry food must be in powered form whereas fresh fat is used in canned food.
How did you attempt to transistion your cats over canned food, abruptly or slowly? Abrupt dietary changes can give any cat diarrhea or loose stools. Also, did you try several different brands? Some brands contain ingredients that don't agree with some cats. Your cat may have had a nutrient-induced aversion rather than a diet-induced problem.
I would rather feed
a raw diet than canned. Since my cats would rather starve then eat raw, canned or anything, I stay with ... with my cats, dryfood is healthier for their teeth than canned, more agreeable to their stomachs and what they prefer.

They prefer dry food because they were accustomed to dry food at a young age and for no other reason. Nothing about a cat - from her teeth to her anus - was designed for the comsumption and digestion of dry food.
That's enough for now, I don't think you could absorb much more thanthat

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one time.

You don't want to absorb the fact that some cats do just fine on dry food and are healthy, happy and thriving on dry food.

I know and have known many cats that do well on dry food. However. in the long run, cats will do much better on canned than dry - canned is more nutritious and digestible than equal quality dry and easier on the digestive and urinary systems.
All commercial cat food is
bad. It all lacks in something. I try to help mine by providing extra vitamins and minerals just incase they miss something in their food. Ialso have plenty of water containers and bowls for them to have water at all times.

I doesn't matter how many water bowls they have, cats can't make rapid and precise changes in voluntary water intake in response to their state of hydration. Even though cats fed dry food drink about 6x more water than cats fed canned food - their total water intake and water turnover is much less. There're actually studies that have proven that
I give canned as a treat and they pick out parts of it and leave the
rest to dry out. So it's thrown away. I don't see the use in giving something they won't eat, and don't like.

The first requirement in any endeavor is desire and the second is belief. Since you have neither concerning feeding canned food all I can do is wish you the best of luck.
Btw, I also noticed that this thread has been crossed-posted from another group and that you're not a regular of rec.pets.cats.health+behav - which probably accounts for your outdated and misguided information.

Good luck.
Phil
Whatever Phil. I don't just sit around and depend on one source for information.

Neither do I. I've spent a few years researching feline nutrition and relied on only credible sources - such as veterinary and medical texts and peer-reviewed veterinary and medical journals and veterinary nutritionists - and not personal websites or personal opinions.
For a partial list of the sources of my information, check the references at the bottom of my Feline Nutrition page
http://www.maxshouse.com/feline nutrition.htm
you'll see what I mean.
Phil
What a coincidence! In my shelter rescue and feral work, I work with several vets who have the same type of set up as yours and my personal vet is a double-boarded retired vet professor who taught vets for over 30years.

Good good very good, I commend you.
I can't and wasn't trying to change your experiences -I'm just trying to enlighten you about the superiority of canned food for your cats' sake.

ok then I think we cleard up somethings there.
Many canned foods contain less fat than dry foods and use a higherquality fat - the fat in dry food must be in powered form whereas fresh fat isused in canned food.

Yes, I know this as well. Canned works great for some cats.
How did you attempt to transistion your cats over canned food, abruptly or slowly? Abrupt dietary changes can give any ... containingredients that don't agree with some cats. Your cat may have had a nutrient-induced aversion rather than a diet-induced problem.

Does like a snail mean anything. I'm talking like a week of mixing it with their dry and slowly taking away the dry. They pick around the canned if any of the dry is too covered with the canned they leave it, if it's just the juice they lick it off the canned and leave it. Basically they like the juice in canned foods but not the solids. I have tried chunky, patay you name it. I even got that vet canned can not think of the name. I bought some a year or more ago for my sick kitten. He wouldn't eat it. It was the only thing I could force down his throat. Anyway after doing that for a week I thought I could give them the canned straight, they picked at it cried and walked away.
They prefer dry food because they were accustomed to dry food at a youngage and for no other reason. Nothing about a cat - from her teeth to heranus - was designed for the comsumption and digestion of dry food.

No argument there.
I know and have known many cats that do well on dry food. However. inthe long run, cats will do much better on canned than dry - canned is more nutritious and digestible than equal quality dry and easier on thedigestive and urinary systems.

Again no argument there. If it works for you go for it.
I doesn't matter how many water bowls they have, cats can't make rapid and precise changes in voluntary water intake ... canned food - their total water intake and water turnover is much less. There're actually studies that have proven that

I am aware of the desert hisory. Yes.
The first requirement in any endeavor is desire and the second is belief. Since you have neither concerning feeding canned food all I can do is wish you the best of luck.

Even if I have the desire to do it it is ultimately the cat who decides to eat it or not. I do not think going without eating for more than two days is a good thing. That's bad on the liver.
Btw, I also noticed that this thread has been crossed-posted from another group and that you're not a regular of rec.pets.cats.health+behav - which probably accounts for your outdated and misguided information. Good luck. Phil

What does crossposting have to do with "outdated and misguided information". All the groups that this cross's talk about cats. It's not like I'm crossing from dogs to cats.
Anyway, maybe in the future we won't have to bash horns. I know your not trying to run everyone off. You are sincere about your care for cats I commend you. yet for those people that really don't have a clue you just make them continue what they are doing and not want to learn from you. They want to avoid you and your knowledge like the plague that doesn't help there cats one bit. Remember you do it for the cats not the people but you have to consider working around the owners.
I have to work around people all the time and bite my tongue on what I would like to say. lol I've seen things much worse than bad diet to consider. I have even seen vets that do not wipe the injection sights before or after vaccinations.brrr..that's bad.
I pet sit for many people in my home for little to nothing so that the animals can stay somewhere while the family relocate, go on vacation whatever. I don't do it for the people I do it so the animals no matter the specie's so they can stay with it's family in the end. Most of the time there is no money involved just a knowledge that I helped a beloved pet stay with it's family.
Have a good day.
Shadow Walker
What does crossposting have to do with "outdated and misguidedinformation".

Most groups I've visited aren't as well informed and up to date as many of the participants in this group.
Anyway, maybe in the future we won't have to bash horns. I know your not trying to run everyone off. ... don't have a clue you just make them continue what they are doing and not want to learn from you.

You might want to practice what you preach. I found your initial post a bit critical. In the future, you might want to read a poster's history before you offer any criticism. I'm not some canned food fanatic - I've researched the issue thoroughly from both sides - because I was a dry food proponent many years ago.
Glad we've come to terms.
Good luck.
Phil