Tomorrow will be Lexi's 2 week anniversary in our house. You will recall that before he came, I asked about how long housebreaking might take. And I was prepared for it to take a while. What I wasn't really prepared for was that after 2 weeks there would be no progress whatsoever. I would have thought that by this time, he'd know he should be going outside, and that accidents would be because we didn't take him out in time or some such. But he is, today, just as likely to go inside as he was that first day.
It's so frustrating for several reasons. First, it's very hard to tell when he's squatting. He's so small, that he doesn't really squat he just sort of leans forward slightly. It's the same as is "What's that?" pose. I'm never 100% sure he's peeing, unless I duck down to look between his legs. I've gotten better about telling outside that he's gone because he will stay in that pose for a few seconds, and then move on.

In other words, after he is done peeing, I'm pretty sure that he has peed. Same thing inside I can tell that he has peed, but not he is about to. So he has accidents even tethered to me. And his bladder is so small, that if I scoop him up and run outside when I notice, it's too late. His bladder is already empty and he doesn't need to go anymore.
Second, he will sometimes go more than once. That is, I take him outside, he goes, effusive praise, then I bring him back in. Moments later (or maybe not moments, maybe 15 minutes), he goes again. So every hour or so doesn't cut it. Yesterday we went to the park. He peed and pooed while we were there. We came home, came inside, and he peed again.

Finally, he will pee on anything. Harwood floors, carpet, beds, pillows. Last night after dinner, I took him out to pee, which he did. Then we went upstairs and I had him with me on the bed, on his leash, while I read. He was jumping around playing, diving into the covers, having a great time, and then all of a sudden he was peeing.
So anyway, I've been really* trying to be vigilant. He's tethered to me at all times, and crated when I'm busy (or napping), and *still it's accident after accident. The most we went without an accident was something like 36 hours. And usually it's several per day. It's 7:31am, and I've already cleaned up 2 poos (yes, he pooed outside first). The thing that gets me is that despite all the praise for going outside, and yes he gets praised every time he goes outside, he still seems to have no idea that's the desirable thing to do.
Tell me there's an end to this!
Bizby
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Tomorrow will be Lexi's 2 week anniversary in our house. You will recall that before he came, I asked about ... still seems to have no idea that's the desirable thing to do. Tell me there's an end to this! Bizby[/nq]It sounds much like a Jack Russell puppy that I housebroke a few years ago. It took four months. Small dogs are famous for being difficult to tell when they are squatting to pee or just sitting. I gave that dog undivided attention when it wasn't crated. And I was surprised, because housebreaking big dogs seems pretty seamless. I knew i was in for a challenge housebreaking this JRT, but i never expected it to take 4 months! When I bought my house, the people had a 12 year old cocker spaniel that had never become housebroken! They were building a new house and did not want to have their old dog soiling their new house.

I took that old dog, housebroke it in about 2 weeks, and gave it to a friend who wanted the dog. I can't imagine giving up a companion of 12 years for any reason, but perhaps it was a stubborn puppy to housebreak, and they just gave up? They locked the dog in the basement when they were gone. The dog must have spent a lot of time in the basement, because the dog ruined the woodwork and dug through the door.
First, it's very hard to tell when he's squatting. He's so small, that he doesn't really squat he just sort of leans forward slightly.

"Indicator hairs". Yep - feel if they're wet.
Yesterday we went to the park. He peed and pooed while we were there. We came home, came inside, and he peed again.

He's too young to be taking to the park. Even so, pee before going back in house.
Finally, he will pee on anything. Harwood floors, carpet, beds, pillows. Last night after dinner, I took him out to ... jumping around playing, diving into the covers, having a great time, and then all of a sudden he was peeing.

He's a puppy, and a teeny one.
Tell me there's an end to this!

There is but without knowing every detail, it's hard to pinpoint where you're going wrong, but it's clear you are, somewhere.

Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
He's a puppy, and a teeny one.

Tell me there's an end to this!

There is but without knowing every detail, it's hard to pinpoint where you're going wrong, but it's clear you are, somewhere.

What she's written doesn't sound all that unusual to someone who's raised an active small breed, and even less so to someone who spends a lot of time on JRT discussion lists.
How old is this puppy, how big is he, and what's his breed?

Bizby, I'm sure there will be an end to it, but I think your 2-week expectation was a bit unrealistic.
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He's a puppy, and a teeny one. There is but ... where you're going wrong, but it's clear you are, somewhere.

What she's written doesn't sound all that unusual to someone who's raised an active small breed, and even less so ... Bizby, I'm sure there will be an end to it, but I think your 2-week expectation was a bit unrealistic.

Exactly Sally. I've never had a problem housebreaking larger breeds, but short forays into housebreaking smaller breeds is an adventure in itself. It's an eyeopening experience and I'm sure Bizby isn't doing anything wrong. It's something that you swallow and bear when you take on smaller breeds. Having larger breeds, I'm spoiled and accustomed to dogs where you spend a couple sleepless nights, and bingo. It's over.
Exactly Sally.

Sarah, actually. :-) (Although "Sally" *is* a nickname for "Sarah", it's not one for me.)
Having larger breeds, I'm spoiled and accustomed to dogs where you spend a couple sleepless nights, and bingo. It's over.

Interesting thing about Rocsi (who is now 14 lbs of solid muscle at 4 years, btw) is that she was able to sleep through the night from the very beginning - although for the first few weeks, she did get me up an hour or two before the alarm clock.
The fact that she slept in the bed undoubtedly helped, not only with her ability to sleep soundly, but with her willingness to wake me up to take her out. Her method was foolproof - she'd stand on my chest and stick her itty bitty tongue up my nose. :-D
DAYTIME, however, was another story - she'd get busy playing, not realize she had to go until too late, and then not be able to hold it.

One conclusion I came to, WRT small dogs, is that the interior of a house is less likely to be percieved as the den, simply because of the relative amount of space they have around them.
This was supported in Rocsi's case by the fact that she never peed in my bedroom, which is small - the bed takes up 2/3 of the space - even when she had to go Really Badly in the mornings.
First, it's very hard to tell when he's squatting. He's so small, that he doesn't really squat he just sort of leans forward slightly.

"Indicator hairs". Yep - feel if they're wet.

Yeah, I can tell when he has* peed, just not ususally when he *is peeing.
Yesterday we went to the park. He peed and pooed while we were there. We came home, came inside, and he peed again.

He's too young to be taking to the park. Even so, pee before going back in house.

This isn't a dog park he was just going along when my kids were at tennis lessons. I didn't realize I shouldn't be doing this, but at any rate,
the lessons are over now.
Finally, he will pee on anything. Harwood floors, carpet, beds, ... time, and then all of a sudden he was peeing.

He's a puppy, and a teeny one.

Okay, but the experience is different from my Sheltie. It took a while to housebreak her too, but she really only peed on the floor. She might have had several accidents the first day, but it was quickly down to one or two, then maybe every other day you know, there was progress.
Tell me there's an end to this!

There is but without knowing every detail, it's hard to pinpoint where you're going wrong, but it's clear you are, somewhere.

Well, gee, that's helpful.
Bizby
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That's a very interesting theory, and I believe would carry weight with high validity. I never thought of that. I like to learn something new everyday, and this is definitely a keeper. Thanks for that
He's a puppy, and a teeny one. There is but ... where you're going wrong, but it's clear you are, somewhere.

What she's written doesn't sound all that unusual to someone who's raised an active small breed, and even less so to someone who spends a lot of time on JRT discussion lists. How old is this puppy, how big is he, and what's his breed?

He's 10 weeks, maybe 6 pounds, mixed breed looks very cocker. He isn't particularly hyper not yet at least. He will have some pretty active play sessions, and then he will collapse for several hours.
Bizby, I'm sure there will be an end to it, but I think your 2-week expectation was a bit unrealistic.

I wasn't expecting him to be trained yet just to show some progress, no matter how minor. Something to let me know he's getting the idea. He's so smart in every other way. He already knows to sit if you have a treat. He's learning down, stay, and come. He's leaving wires alone, though we're still working on shoes, and socks may be a lost cause (as well as getting two children to remember not to leave them on the floor).

It's just that I'm living at an extremely heightened level of alertness. I honestly don't know that I can keep this up for 4 months. Being harder to housebreak is not something I knew about smaller dogs.

Bizby
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