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I don't understand the controversy into which I have fallen:

It's about communication, Chris. You should understand that.
Big deal that was what they did and tribes all over the world have been doing similar for centuries. So ... is a new one I have never heard. Bloody ways. And the "white man" wasn't bloody? Give me a break.

why are you holding group X to a higher standard than group Y?

shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
Big deal that was what they did and tribes all ... And the "white man" wasn't bloody? Give me a break.

why are you holding group X to a higher standard than group Y?

Good point Shelly.
Guess I hadn't thought of it that way.
Gwen
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Spare me your outrage, Gwen.

Outrage? No outrage here. Just giving some facts.

What facts?
I didn't see no steenkin' facts.
I think Chris likes to idealize certain aspects of life. ... no more right to this country than anyone else has.

I disagree. But that is neither here nor there.

Of course it is. It's the crux of your whole argument.
In fact, they spent a good deal of their time ... until others came along and took it away from them.

Big deal that was what they did and tribes all over the world have been doing similar for centuries.

Which is exactly my point!
So they have no right because they killed each other's tribes?

What I'm saying, Gwen, is that they have no more of a right.

Do you understand the difference?
Boy now that is a new one I have never heard.

Stick around, kiddo, you'll likely hear a lot of things you've never heard before.
Bloody ways. And the "white man" wasn't bloody?

Of course he was! But no bloodier than the native Americans were.

Stop IDEALIZING native Americans, Gwen.
We're all just human beings, and subject to the same failings.

But I just don't understand self-loathing, and I never will.
Give me a break.

Such is life.

Yep exactly, blood shed is part of life when peoples are fighting for land. Seems like we have a lot of that going on in the ME right now and it isn't just people of the ME., either.

You're sounding more and more like Chris, Gwen.
I.e., unhinged.
What's going on in the Middle East has nothing to do with land.

It has to do with anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. Not to mention low self-esteem, jealousy, etc.
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I know, Gwen. Because you can't help yourself.

Whatever. If one can't bring up something that has been said that is disturbing to them then there is sure a problem.

At least make damn sure that what you're disturbed about is worth getting disturbed about.
Neither can Chris.

I am not here to judge this. I don't agree with some of what Chris has laid on the table. It still doesn't make me want to look down my nose at him for having his opinions.

I think Chris is an overwrought Drama Queen.
YMMV.

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I think I'm going to go outside now and "harm" a few more dogs (as Bill Clinton would say, "Because I can")

Can I join you?

Why?
I'm one of the bad guys, don't you know.

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Can I join you?

Why? I'm one of the bad guys, don't you know.

In whose opinion? Not mine. Just because we had an exchange of words about NA's doesn't mean I view you as one of the bad guys.
Now who says you is the bad guy?
Gwen
I don't understand the controversy into which I have fallen:

It's about communication, Chris. You should understand that.

I wonder which "genders" Chris's field of "communication" covers?

It certainly can't be the masculine or the feminine.

What's left?
Neuter?

Handsome Jack Morrison
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Outrage? No outrage here. Just giving some facts.

What facts?

The fact that the NA was here WAY before any white settlers. Only fact though.
I didn't see no steenkin' facts.

I disagree. But that is neither here nor there.

Of course it is. It's the crux of your whole argument.

I see.
Big deal that was what they did and tribes all over the world have been doing similar for centuries.

Which is exactly my point!

Well I missed the point, please forgive me.
So they have no right because they killed each other's tribes?

What I'm saying, Gwen, is that they have no more of a right. Do you understand the difference?

Indeed, now that it is laid on the table like that. Yep, I do.
Boy now that is a new one I have never heard.

Stick around, kiddo, you'll likely hear a lot of things you've never heard before.

Some very good things some eye opening as well. I guess you got me on this one.
Bloody ways. And the "white man" wasn't bloody?

Of course he was! But no bloodier than the native Americans were.

Except who was here first? Not that it matters, apparently.
Stop IDEALIZING native Americans, Gwen. We're all just human beings, and subject to the same failings. But I just don't understand self-loathing, and I never will.

Self-loathing? I don't quite understand. But I am not idealizing either. I think
they got a raw deal and so do many who have NA ancestors. But apparently it matters not.
Give me a break. Yep exactly, blood shed is part ... now and it isn't just people of the ME., either.

You're sounding more and more like Chris, Gwen. I.e., unhinged.

Over something this minor? I think you are stretching it into something way bigger then I feel about it, because "you can". Not because it is a fact. Read my post to Shelly.
What's going on in the Middle East has nothing to do with land.

Sure it does. Land and Oil and Gas.
It has to do with anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism. Not to mention low self-esteem, jealousy, etc.

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Whatever. If one can't bring up something that has been said that is disturbing to them then there is sure a problem.

At least make damn sure that what you're disturbed about is worth getting disturbed about.

Says who? Are you a dictator? Facist? Says who? If I want to get disturbed and voice it now and then I have that right.

You have the right to correct me as do others such as Shelly. But to say it best be something I am sure it is worth being disturbed about is not only fruitless but insensitive to ones feelings and on opinions.
Gwen
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I'm one of the bad guys, don't you know.

In whose opinion? Not mine. Just because we had an exchange of words about NA's doesn't mean I view you as one of the bad guys. Now who says you is the bad guy?

Chris, for one.
I "harm" animals, don't you know.
You wouldn't want to be seen around an ol' animal abuser like me, would you?
Word would get out, and then, who knows...

Handsome Jack Morrison
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