So, okay. In my recovery from losing Mac, I left the shelter for several days. In my absence, a member of the 'Dog Welfare Committee" brought in a traditional trainer to deal with Mongo, a big, exuberant, Rottie/mix puppy. He dragged Mongo from his run, and, when Mongo bit him, slipped on a choke chain and forced him into submission. (This, btw, was a demonstration for new volunteers on 'how to handle a dog') Another volunteer simply threw herself on the 'trainer" and pummeled him.

The 'trainer' ('35 years experience training police dogs') called the police and demanded her arrest. They didn't do it. So, okay, again. I contacted my attorneys and and am charging my own freakin' shelter with permitting animal abuse. The "Dog Welfare Committee' is unapologetic. "Whatever it takes to get a dog adopted' is their position. Is it yours?
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Oh, btw. Mongo was adopted later that day by newlyweds. They called back the following morning with a complaint: "He's SUCH a bed-hog. We spent the night clinging to opposite sides of the bed." Doncha just love it?
So, okay. In my recovery from losing Mac, I left the shelter for several days. In my absence, a member ... The "Dog Welfare Committee' is unapologetic. "Whatever it takes to get a dog adopted' is their position. Is it yours?[/nq]There are so many things wrong with this picture, I hardly know where to begin. What would I do? I'd start with clear guidelines as far as what circumstances outside trainers are allowed in for. I'd get rid of volunteers who throw themselves on and pummel outside trainers. Your note doesn't make it clear with what level of violence she did the throwing and pummeling, but let's guess that she wasn't truly dangerous to the trainer, or the police would have stepped in when requested to arrest her.

Alternately, the police were wrong for allowing female on male violence where they would have made an arrest for male on female violence. I wasn't there and have no way of knowing. Either way, the volunteers need to be better trained to follow the shelter's rules, and the rules need to me more clear to everyone around including the outside trainers.
I hope your attorneys can help you understand criminal and civil laws better. You're getting them mixed up. One doesn't contact attorneys to charge anyone with anything. That's for the police. Attorneys sue in civil cases and defend or prosecute in criminal ones.
Or is this all a publicity stunt, and I'm being terribly naive?
Lia
So, okay. In my recovery from losing Mac, I left the shelter for several days. In my absence, a member ... The "Dog Welfare Committee' is unapologetic. "Whatever it takes to get a dog adopted' is their position. Is it yours?

First, I don't for one second believe that this trainer "dragged" this dog from his run.
Second, I have no idea what the terms "forced him into submission" and "choke chain" have to do with each other, and I'd bet a few hundred beers that Chris doesn't either.
Third, I have no idea what the term "forced him into submission" even means here, and I'd bet another few hundred beers that Chris doesn't either.
Fourth, the "volunteer" who jumped on this trainer and "pummeled him" sounds like she should concentrate harder on taking her meds on time. Was her first name Courtney by any chance?
Fifth, any wingnut who would sue his own shelter for something like this (even if the above story is 100% accurate, which it almost certainly isn't) is in need of a rude awakening. I'm starting to think that Chris would probably want to sue someone at MacDonald's for screwing up his Big Mac order.
Sixth, I think Chris could use a vacation from rescue work. I think the stress is finally getting to him. That, plus what happened recently to Mac, etc., almost demands that Chris get away from rescue work for awhile. Chris is becoming, IMO, part of the problem, not the solution, his good intentions notwithstanding.
Seventh, there was almost certainly a very good reason that this trainer was called in, and I think Chris is leaving out a large part of this story.
Eighth, I also think there's probably a very good reason that the "Dog Welfare Committee' is unapologetic. Because there probably wasn't anything to apologize for.
Ninth, I basically agree, of course, in the position of "whatever it takes to get a dog adopted," but with provisos. For example, that "it" is always humane, that there is never any attempt to hide anything from potential adopters, etc.
Tenth, some people aren't cut out for rescue work.

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Oh, btw. Mongo was adopted later that day by newlyweds. They called back the following morning with a complaint: "He's SUCH a bed-hog. We spent the night clinging to opposite sides of the bed." Doncha just love it?

What?
The dog didn't eat the kids and destroy the house simply because he had been treated so badly by that Big Bad Traditional Trainer?

Apparently he was pretty good, huh? He took big ol' Mungo and made him into a harmless bed-hog in one easy lesson!

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Or is this all a publicity stunt,

More than likely, this little story was about as accurate as a Michael Moore movie.
and I'm being terribly naive?

Ah, so you smell the fish, too? Emotion: smile

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and I'm being terribly naive?

Ah, so you smell the fish, too? Emotion: smile

Honestly, I can't tell. I consider myself so good at knowing what's exaggerated or ridiculous on usenet. This one has me baffled.

Lia
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Ah, so you smell the fish, too? Emotion: smile

Honestly, I can't tell. I consider myself so good at knowing what's exaggerated or ridiculous on usenet. This one has me baffled.

Go with your nose.

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Oh, btw. Mongo was adopted later that day by newlyweds. They called back the following morning with a complaint: "He's SUCH a bed-hog. We spent the night clinging to opposite sides of the bed." Doncha just love it?

I'd be a bit circumspect about declaring victory. It can take several weeks (or more) before a dog becomes
sufficiently comfortable in his new home that he starts trying to exercise his prerogative.

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