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And according to everything I've heard/read that program existed before ... I don't think I'd consider the APDT a "small" organization...

Its small in terms of public recognition. Almost everyone knows there is an AKC. Most of those people knows there ... Pit Bulls, know people who have Pit Bulls or are dog people in general. That, at least, is my experience.

confused about what pit bulls have to do with it. i found out about apdt rally from someone who was doing rally with her standard poodle.

not that it matters, i suppose.

my best friend is a pit bull.
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confused about what pit bulls have to do with it.

I missed that the first time around... I think Tee may be confusing the APDT (American Pet Dog Trainers) with the Pit Bull breed club which is affiliated with the UKC.
this whole discussion makes it less clear, less interesting and less likely that I will look into it.

I don't mean this in the way it's probably going to come across, but it's your loss if you let it have that effect - and to be honest, your reaction doesn't make any sense to me, since the side discussion of the origin of the sport and the various sanctioning organizations has no relation to whether or not the sport would be fun or worthwhile for anyone to particpate in.
All *I* orginally intended to do was point out that Marie would need information about non-AKC versions, since she doesn't have an AKC-eligible dog and isn't in the US.
confused about what pit bulls have to do with it.

I missed that the first time around... I think Tee may be confusing the APDT (American Pet Dog Trainers) with the Pit Bull breed club which is affiliated with the UKC.

Yes, I was. I thought it was odd that the breed club had its own rally (duh).

Tara
confused about what pit bulls have to do with it. i found out about apdt rally from someone who was doing rally with her standard poodle. not that it matters, i suppose.

I was confusing the Dog Trainers association with Pit Bull breed club, sorry.

Tara
Just FYI, there have been some pretty serious and creditable rumors floating up over the past year that AKC is at least strongly considering allowing mixed breed dogs in performance events. It's about time!
confused about what pit bulls have to do with it. ... with her standard poodle. not that it matters, i suppose.

I was confusing the Dog Trainers association with Pit Bull breed club, sorry.

gotcha. i was worried i was missing something Emotion: smile

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I'm not sure why you say my focus is almost entirely on AKC events.

Erm... I should think that was obvious, actually - pure and simple, because I've never heard you mention participating in ... reads the .RPD groups, subcribes to the NADAC list, and/or subscribes to AgileDogs knows you quit doing NADAC last year.

But that still is a silly argument. I've also discussed UKC agility on those lists, and if you look in my sig which I use on the mail groups, you see many more titles than are covered by AKC, and AKC titles that are not related to agility.
I personally do AKC agility exclusively at the moment

Um... so then why does it seem to surprise/offend you that my perception is that you're AKC oriented???

Because I know darn well that you've read, many times, that I dropped NADAC and that there wasn't enough USDAA around to try it. I've also written, many times, that I wish there was CPE in this area. That hardly implies that I am only INTERESTED in AKC.
So you don't know much of anything about it

I neither said nor implied that. I said that I'm not particularly interested in participating in it, and that there ... therefore, I haven't paid much attention to online discussions as to why the UKC has backed off on sanctioning it.

Yes, and by saying you haven't paid much attention to it, that certainly implies you don't know the details unless you absorb information by osmosis, which I doubt.
I actually know a fair amount about Rally-O, even though it doesn't interest me as a sport for myself and ... know several people who participate in it, so I have a decent general understanding of what the sport consists of.

Ah. See, that contrasts quite a bit with what you originally wrote, which is: "I'm not particularly interested in Rally, so I haven't really paid much attention to the discussions about it." which implies that you really don't know much about it, haven't paid much attention to it.
The UKC seems to be having some real infrastructure problems at the moment

I had gathered that much from what I've been hearing on the other lists; just haven't paid much attention to the details since, as I said, I'm not particularly interested in UKC events at the moment.[/nq]They really need to make some major changes. The paperwork involved in holding a trial is crippling. And right now they have 3 different obedience sheets, all with scoring in different places. Each sheet is a triplicate, which must be filled out in advance. It's a huge headache for trial secretaries. They also need to make some agility rule changes and take out at least one of the "stop" obstacles in Ag2 so there can be more speed and flow to courses.

It's super that UKC allows slow dogs to succeed I think there's a need for that. But UKC Ag2 actually punishes drivey fast dogs by having a very high obstacle to jump ratio. The dog jumps one or two things then has to either do a contact obstacle or a stop obstacle. Makes drivey dogs nuts. But lately they've been late in even getting paperwork to clubs you can tell things are just a mess there. I hope they get it together, it would be awful if it went away.
I was confusing the Dog Trainers association with Pit Bull breed club, sorry.

... thereby totally proving your point about the Association of Pet Dog Trainers' lack of public recognition :-).
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