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Just FYI, there have been some pretty serious and creditable >rumors

That's not an FYI in my case; I've been hearing those rumors since they started.
AFAIK, the rumor first cropped up when the AKC ran that marketing survey a year or so ago (if you read it carefully, it was designed to glean information for marketing pet health insurance), included a question about mixed breeds, and a bunch of people jumped to the conclusion that it meant it was going to happen.
Aside from that, the only definitive thing I've heard is that there was a discussion of it on an agenda for a board meeting months ago; I have since heard that the idea was dropped, but not in any definitive way.

Given that the AKC would have to change its entire "mission statement" etc., I hae me doots it's going to happen.
However, hell CAN freeze over, as evidenced by the fact that the JRTCA has rescinded their ban on letting dogs be both ILP'd and recorded.
Sarah, your paranoia is showing.

I fail to see how it's "paranoid" to factually point out that someone lives in Canada and doesn't have an AKC dog.
information about what AKC rally entails *is* in fact relevant to someone with a mixed-breed.

Only if A. you give the AMBOR information to the person instead of just mentioning AKC and explain what AMBOR is, while you're at it (including the fact that AMBOR doesn't put on trials)and B. if the person lives in the US.
Too bad you chose instead to turn this into just another opportunity to bash AKC and the people who participate in AKC events.

Do me a favor, eh? Please find and QUOTE to me any place in this thread where I said anything negative about people who participate in AKC events, OTHER than the post where I agreed with Robin's comment about some of the hard-core Obedience people's attitudes towards any sport but their own. Furthermore, please explain to me how pointing out that a particular dog wouldn't be eligible to participate in AKC, and therefore it's not particularly useful to give her owner an answer couched exclusively in AKC terms, then quoting the relevant sections of the AKC rules when someone asks for them, constitutes "bashing AKC".
I ain't the one who's "paranoid" here, and as I said to Robin, I am *** sick and tired of having something projected into my posts that isn't there.
() American Dog Breeders Association. http://www.adba.cc /

Okay, I think there should be a law against four-letter abbreviations for dog clubs/registries that start & end with A. Its getting ridiculous and not just because I'm too dullwitted to keep up.

At least you don't wackyparse them such that you wonder if they are teaching dogs to dance and sing. Wish I could say the same for myself.

Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay
Wait a minute! We were talking Rally, not flyball!

Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay
That hardly implies that I am only INTERESTED in AKC.

The only problem with this statement is that I didn't say you were "only interested in AKC", but that your primary focus is on AKC events. Which, if it's all you're competing in at the moment, is the case; and again, it was in response to you saying you'd never heard of a particular venue.

The essence of the conversation, from my perspective, is:

You: "I had no idea that the APDT has been sanctioning titling Rally-O events for a couple of years, and I have absolutely no idea of how to find information about them."
Me: "Well, the information is on the APDT site; since you're only doing AKC right now, maybe that's why you hadn't heard of the APDT trials."

You :
"How dare you say I only do AKC events!!"
Yes, and by saying you haven't paid much attention to it,

But that's not what I said. Please go back and re-read the part of my post you quoted in your reply, as well as the orginal post. Once again, what I actually said was that I hadn't paid attention to was discussions about why the UKC has delayed sanctioning it.

that certainly
implies you don't know the details

Not knowing the details is NOT the same as "knowing nothing about it".
Ah. See, that contrasts quite a bit with what you originally wrote,

No, it doesn't contrast ..
which is: "I'm not particularly interested in Rally, so I haven't really paid much attention to the discussions about it."

... because the "it" in that sentence refers to the UKC delay, not to Rally/Rally-O.
Furthermore, that is NOT an accurate representation of what I said - you've snipped not only the preceding line , but the entire first half of the sentence!

UKC was going to but for some reason has backed out for a quoted "indefinite" >period of time.

I'd heard that; there's little or no UKC in my area, and I'm not particularly interested in Rally, so I haven't really paid much attention to the discussions about it.

Each sheet is a triplicate, which must be filled out in advance.

If I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that the SCORE sheets are triplicate? Yikes.
It's super that UKC allows slow dogs to succeed I think there's a need for that. But UKC Ag2 actually punishes ... one or two things then has to either do a contact obstacle or a stop obstacle. Makes drivey dogs nuts.

Which concides with the impression I've always had of UKC agility (based on talking to the few people I know who've done it, and on knowing a bit about their rules about straight approaches, etc.) - that's it's more like "obedience with obstacles" than like agility as participants in other venues know it.
I hope they get it together, it would be awful if it went >away.

By "it", do you mean the UKC, or just the agility/obed. programs? Either way, I agree. Not MY cup of tea, but I know quite a few people who like it.
and if you look in my sig which I use on the mail groups,

Heh, well - I often don't read sig files on the agility lists (aside from the human and canine names) ... of years before seeing you post on the lists, I've not really read your sig for content, so to speak.

You mean you don't read every word I write with bated breath?? Dow Hair You! Fair enough. I put titles in my sig because a lot of people request them for email lists I know when I'm talking to someone I don't know personally, seeing what titles they have on their dogs helps give me a bit of background on their experience. Not that it means that I ignore people with only basic titles or no titles at all, but it helps me see the perspective they may be coming from.
Here they are in their full glory:
Viva: UAg2 BJF Renejade Debt of Honor, ASCA/AKC CD, BH, FFB, TT, ATT, EAC, EJC, NGC, TNN, MX, MXJ, WAC, CGC
Cala: BJF O'er The Hills 'N Far Away, NA, NAJ, NGC, WAC, CGC
Well, see, since it's the bad, ugly AKC, it can't ... who do AKC are snobs and hate mixed breeds don'cha'know.

Robin, I didn't say any of those things, and I'm *** sick and tired of you projecting things into my posts that aren't there. I have been replying civilly to your snippy posts in this discussion, and I'm tired of being polite.

Sionnach, you are right. I really wasn't wholly channeling you there, though I'll admit it was partly you. It was really sort of a global joke thing because those of us who do primarily AKC hear that crap all the time. I know you don't like AKC. You know I don't like NADAC. We each have reasons and are going to continue to butt heads, but I shouldn't have given you a backhanded slam like that. I'm sorry.
What's *** is your constant shitty attitude towards anything AKC, whether it's the people participating or the organization itself, especially since you appear to know very little about it.

Debbie
That hardly implies that I am only INTERESTED in AKC.

The only problem with this statement is that I didn't say you were "only interested in AKC", but that your ... Rally-O events for a couple of years, and I have absolutely no idea of how to find information about them."

Um, no, I never said the above. I couldn't have, since I DID know that APDT was sanctioning Rally. What I said was that the trials were difficult to find, and I'd never heard of one actually being held. I then later pointed out that there are a whopping 13 (or was it 15) APDT Rally trials listed on their site for the whole year. You were trying to say APDT was larger than NADAC. The organization itself may be I'm too lazy to go look at members. I doubt it at $100 per year a pop. But in the order of trials given, no way.
But that's not what I said. Please go back and re-read the part of my post you quoted in your ... I actually said was that I hadn't paid attention to was discussions about why the UKC has delayed sanctioning it.

I'll go back and read yours if you go back and read mine. Emotion: smile You always seem absolutely determined to take umbrage at anything I say, no matter what, and you always take each statement as some sort of direct attack on you. Certainly I went a bit overboard with one comment, which I have apologized for. But honestly, you need to stop thinking that everything I write is some sort of direct attack on you. It's not.
Each sheet is a triplicate, which must be filled out in advance.

If I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that the SCORE sheets are triplicate? Yikes.[/nq]Yes! And in addition to the score sheet and the sit sheet, you have to hand fill out a master judge's sheet, again in triplicate, with each dog's name, (call name AND registered name) and UKC number so the judge can officially write down the score and sign it. The secretary has to do all of this. In addition, our secretary makes out detailed jump height lists, which can be a *** because UKC's entry forms are so screwed up that often competitors can't find the place to write that in on the entry form.

And it matters, because there's both a Veterans and a Deep Chested height exemption, which of course the secretary must also figure out. We limit our UKC obedience trials to 55 runs per trial (2 trials a day, 4 trials in the weekend) for that reason. Some clubs actually take Day of Entry. One of our judges this year was really pushing it for our club and I thought the Secretary's eyes were going to bug out of her head. I think I acutally saw her hands advancing toward the judge's throat before she got ahold of herself.
Which concides with the impression I've always had of UKC agility (based on talking to the few people I know ... approaches, etc.) - that's it's more like "obedience with obstacles" than like agility as participants in other venues know it.

Yes. Though I've certainly seen some fast dogs do it. Some of the rules actually are good for all venues like you have to stay 3 feet off the weaves in Ag2. And poles are set on 24" centers, which is nice. I did hammer Viva through the Ag2 but she hated every minute of it.
I hope they get it together, it would be awful if it went >away.

By "it", do you mean the UKC, or just the agility/obed. programs? Either way, I agree. Not MY cup of tea, but I know quite a few people who like it.

The infrastructure problems seem to be UKC wide at the moment. Maybe some of the people on here who do UKC conformation can comment. Certainly Obedience and Agility seem to be at least somewhat in disarray. I'm not saying it's disasterous, but things just don't seem to be smooth at the head office.
Oh and as far as obedience, I actually like UKC better than AKC. I love the honor down, and the Utility is great "fun," with two different glove exercises the regular gloves, and a seek back exercise too. Also, the DOR recall is followed by a regular recall, which is cool.
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