Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted have been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.
Kinda makes you go Hmm.
But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.
Dave
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Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted have been silent during Dreamspinners crisis. Kinda makes you go Hmm. But then again they might be in my Bozo Bin too.[/nq]Well nobody realized the bird was not clipped, nor did we realize that the bird had been taken outside and not restrained in any way. Having a fully flighted bird outside with no restraint is plain foolish as I am sure DS will admit now. Some of us don't clip routinely, some of us who don't clip have never lost birds, some who do clip have lost birds.I personally would never take the risk of taking an unclipped bird outside but that is my personal choice.

I give my U2 a very light clip in the summer. She can get lift and fly short distances if she made the effort, but she is happy enough pottering about and climbing up the clothes prop by herself if I am outside. The only reason I give her a trim is because she loves being outside in the summer with me. I never clip the birds who don't go outside as I like to see tham flying about indoors. Strong flyers like conures and other parakeets suffer more from not being able to fly than the larger birds I think.

But these are just my opinions and my own choices made for the happiness and wellbeing of my birds.
Hey slick you better read Dreamspinners posts again. the bird was not outside.
Dave
What was the purpose of this post?
I'm sure that Kim is still reeling.
Did it feel good to rub it in?
~Kimberlee
The intent was not aimed at dreamspinner. There are those in this news group that vehmently advocate free flight(she was/is not one of them).To the point were they will fanaticly defend it. The pot shot was ment for them. Maybe we all can learn from this.
Dave
Unfortunately, a pot shot doesn't encourage anyone to care about your message.
If you want to be heard, you have to speak in a way that encourages others to listen.
Passion and principles are great. Rudeness is our downfall. As you said, we can all learn from this.
Maybe we all can learn from this.

Dream on.
The heated argument " to clip or not to clip" shows that we all are not sure what the right thing to do is. It is a fact that most of us want the best for our beutiful inteligent birds. As for me I like to keep my good friend, my Nanday Conure, the way he is at his natural enviroment: not clipped. Its more work for the owner but more life quality to the bird. Uri
Kinda funny how the folks who support leaving a bird fully flighted have been silent during Dreamspinners crisis.

Clipping the wings isn't an all or nothing thing.
My goffin, Cosmo had a real hack job when I first got him, his feathers were trimmed back to nothing. Bad in that the bird couldn't fly enough to prevent getting hurt from falls.
Now his primary flight feathers have grown back, and he can fly, but not far, and not high. When he goes an flys from one room to another, and back again, he is panting and heaving, just like a good work out.

This IMHO seems like a good thing, in that he still gets exercise. A good avian barber (?) can trim the wings such that the bird still can fly, and looks good, having the colored primary flights.
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