Anyone got good suggestions on recall / come when dog is outside ?

I have almost perfect recall indoors and almost non-existent one outdoors. My dog is not food / treat motivated in the least bit.

I feel like he has nothing to "come" to when he is outside, therefore he doesn't. And on the other side, I feel he comes to me indoors all the time because he will get the chance to go outside.
Catch 22 ?!
I feel like he has nothing to "come" to when he is outside, therefore he doesn't. And on the other side, I feel he comes to me indoors all the time because he will get the chance to go outside.

I have a young dog in my daycare who does this. She won't come in until she's damn ready to come in (and does this with her owner, too). Treats as bribes wear out with many dogs, and don't work at all with Eenah.
She's a very friendly puppy (5 months old), so I'm using this against her. While all of the other dogs are inside, and she's alone doing the apparently important job of exploring the yard, I'm watching through a window. As soon as her attention shifts from her stick to her leaf, I'm out the door with a toy in this case, a nice squeaky bright and bouncy ball and calling her name. If she doesn't doesn't at least notice me, I ignore her and go back inside to my Peeping Tom position. When she does come, I Jackpot! with play. Rinse and repeat, vary with "you can stay out" and "you have to come in."
If she decides to play with me play bowing, getting ready to run away, etc. again I go neutral on her and return inside if I see she doesn't mean to give up her game any time soon.

Yes, it takes some time, but is worth it in the long run.

Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Anyone got good suggestions on recall / come when dog is outside ? I have almost perfect recall indoors and ... he comes to me indoors all the time because he will get the chance to go outside. Catch 22 ?!

No catch 22, just a perfect example of dogs repeat behaviors that are rewarding to them Emotion: smile It is rewarding for your dog to go outside, and if you call him and he comes, and you let him go out, theres his reason for coming to you.
You will have to make coming to outside just as rewarding. First rule is never call him to you and then do something he finds unpleasant, like going back inside, or clipping his nails, or whatever.

I would suggest you take an obedience class. He will learn to come with major distractions around.
What are you using as food reward? There are dogs who couldn't care less about any type of food, but they are in the minority. What have you tried so far? I use a treat called Botanics Dog Food. Comes in big log and you can get it at Petsmart. You have to refrigerate it, but it lasts a very long time, and IME of 11 years teaching classes, I have found that more dogs like it than not Emotion: smile Might be something to try. And remember, correctly used you don't BRIBE the dog with food reward, it's a reward for doing the correct behavior.

Good luck!
Anyone got good suggestions on recall / come when dog is outside ? I have almost perfect recall indoors and ... he comes to me indoors all the time because he will get the chance to go outside. Catch 22 ?!

No catch 22, just a perfect example of dogs repeat behaviors that are rewarding to them Emotion: smile It is rewarding for your dog to go outside, and if you call him and he comes, and you let him go out, theres his reason for coming to you.
You will have to make coming to outside just as rewarding. First rule is never call him to you and then do something he finds unpleasant, like going back inside, or clipping his nails, or whatever.

I would suggest you take an obedience class. He will learn to come with major distractions around.
What are you using as food reward? There are dogs who couldn't care less about any type of food, but they are in the minority. What have you tried so far? I use a treat called Botanics Dog Food. Comes in big log and you can get it at Petsmart. You have to refrigerate it, but it lasts a very long time, and IME of 11 years teaching classes, I have found that more dogs like it than not Emotion: smile Might be something to try. And remember, correctly used you don't BRIBE the dog with food reward, it's a reward for doing the correct behavior.

Good luck!
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I would suggest you take an obedience class. He will learn to come with major distractions around. What are you ... correctly used you don't BRIBE the dog with food reward, it's a reward for doing the correct behavior. Good luck!

I've actually seen this dog. He's prey driven. He loves to come, and get treats when there is nothing better out there. But he's a squirrel fool. And no treat is as intoxicating to him as the motion and intrigue of squirrels, which are everywhere.
He appears to be a very beautiful Pitbull/something mix. But I don't believe there is any food out there, that would draw him off a squirrel.
Buzzsaw is practicing NILIF. He is offering good food offerings (NOT as a bribe)
In fact, he seems to be doing everything right. He's taken Max to doggy school (several times). Max is one of those dog's, that is going to be a long time developing reliable ... IF, he ever achieves it at all, it will be a testament to Buzzsaw's tenacious and persistent dedication to him.

The only thing that would help Max, is to have available, a place to burn off excess energy, and interact with woods and nature, in a safe contained place. Since he is dog aggressive, a dog park is out. I spoke with a trainer up there about Max, and she said there are NO options, within 3 hours of where Max lives, that offer him safe, dog interaction free, places for him to burn off. Dog parks would not accept him because of dog aggression. I asked her about ATV, and taking him on trails. There are none of those facilities there.
And thus, exercise and some of the options we were sure that could be used to facilitate trainability, especially on off leash recall, are extremely limited and unpractical. Max is thwarted because of location. The best possible "SAFE" zone for Max to exercise is on the tennis court park, where he currently is using.
Anyone got good suggestions on recall / come when dog is outside ? I have almost perfect recall indoors and ... he comes to me indoors all the time because he will get the chance to go outside. Catch 22 ?!

You might want to find a good e-collar trainer. The focus gained can be quite impressive.

Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
The only thing that would help Max, is to have available, a place to burn off excess energy, and interact with woods and nature, in a safe contained place.

Aren't there any hiking/biking trails nearby? Maybe the owner can jog with Max, ride a bike and have him jog, or go for long walks. It will take a bit of commitment, but should be doable.
Suja
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The only thing that would help Max, is to have ... interact with woods and nature, in a safe contained place.

Aren't there any hiking/biking trails nearby? Maybe the owner can jog with Max, ride a bike and have him jog, or go for long walks. It will take a bit of commitment, but should be doable. Suja

riding a bike would be very dangerous to Buzzsaw/Max/wildlife/other dogs, and shouldn't be an option. If he hooked Max to a freight train, or even an atv, yes. But when Max is intent on doing something, Max is big and powerful enough to get it done. Walking/jogging isnt going to wear him out, and Buzzsaw throws balls for him until his arms fall off. Which i feel gives the dog maximum possible safe exercise, but not enough. Buzzsaw is VERy committed to this dog. He's in touch with a very talented, resourceful dog trainer in the area (Who will also offer e-collar training, should he wish to go that route)
Buzzsaw is making steady progress in Max's training, and I feel is perhaps just wishing results were a bit faster in coming than they are. Or even just looking for confirmation that what he's doing is in the best interest of himself or Max, or searching for new methods for that magical potion that works.
He has a pitbull. He has a high energy/high drive dog That wants to keep doing what he wants to do, and would do so until he drops.. something the breed is known so well for.
I think he's wishing for the dog to have different drives and lower level drives. But I honestly think he needs to realize that Max IS, what Max IS, and if he ever reaches that goal that Max gets to where he's other dog friendly, instead of dog aggressive, and prey driven, and high energy, it's through his hard efforts, but it's still unlikely to alter the fundemental facts that what he has is VERY typical of what the breed should be. He's a very handsome, powerful and impressive animal. And his obedience is passable. He's very intelligent. He's very strong willed. He knows what he wants, and he knows how to get it.
Buzzsaw is now working NILIF to good effect. But under the current conditions, I think it's highly unlikely that he will ever have an unconfined offleash reliable dog that he can turn loose in a dog park and not worry. I hope I'm wrong. The trainer he's in touch with, is VERY likely as any, to help him achieve this. And she NEEDS to get out of her house.. desperately. I just spent three weeks at her house. Trust me, an excuse to go help someone train their dog is a blessing for her.

I spent 3 weeks caring for her father. She needed a break, because her husband committed suicide, and found that caring for her father, her alzheimers stricken mother, and dealing with her husband's death all at the same time was more than she could handle. So I offered to go take care of her parents while she took a much needed break and take care of herself. After three weeks, I can understand why her husband committed suicide, and admired his self restraint in that he only did himself in, and didn't murder her father instead. The alzheimers patient was the EASY one!